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Stuk Top half 16 Sep 16 4.47pm
Originally posted by topcat True, it would be interesting to know how much of a change Obama made in his eight years in office. A hell of a lot more, had he had either house or somewhere near parity in them. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 16 Sep 16 4.47pm

Originally posted by topcat

True, it would be interesting to know how much of a change Obama made in his eight years in office.

A hell of a lot more, had he had either house or somewhere near parity in them.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 16 Sep 16 4.50pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Republicans are likely to hold their majority in the Senate, but it may get a little thinner. In this regard, the Democrats will be able to play spoiler and block much of what President Trump would do. But they can't stop him hitting the big red button on his desk to nuke someone for dissing his hair... The real influence of the next President will be that they will get to nominate at least one, and probably two, justices to the Supreme Court. Bush Jr. got to put two on there, and he chose very young and very conservative judges. Obama got to put two on there, and he chose two very young and very liberal judges. Whoever gets to choose the next two, will establish the political slant of the court for the next generation. Good couple of posts. Glad to hear that even those who can vote think that it's a very strange system you've got. Didn't Obama make it 4-3 in favour of liberal judges? Even that's a strange one to me though, they get the job until they die don't they? I would've thought a fixed term for each one would be better. And stagger the end of terms. Optimistic as ever
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Republicans are likely to hold their majority in the Senate, but it may get a little thinner. In this regard, the Democrats will be able to play spoiler and block much of what President Trump would do. But they can't stop him hitting the big red button on his desk to nuke someone for dissing his hair...

The real influence of the next President will be that they will get to nominate at least one, and probably two, justices to the Supreme Court. Bush Jr. got to put two on there, and he chose very young and very conservative judges. Obama got to put two on there, and he chose two very young and very liberal judges.

Whoever gets to choose the next two, will establish the political slant of the court for the next generation.

Good couple of posts. Glad to hear that even those who can vote think that it's a very strange system you've got.

Didn't Obama make it 4-3 in favour of liberal judges? Even that's a strange one to me though, they get the job until they die don't they?

I would've thought a fixed term for each one would be better. And stagger the end of terms.

Optimistic as ever

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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 16 Sep 16 5.13pm
Originally posted by Rubin Sanders lost all credibility when he endorsed Clinton. He lost all credibility when he changed Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC.
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Originally posted by Rubin

Sanders lost all credibility when he endorsed Clinton.

He lost all credibility when he changed Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC.

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Ray in Houston Houston 16 Sep 16 5.51pm
Originally posted by Stuk Good couple of posts. Glad to hear that even those who can vote think that it's a very strange system you've got. Didn't Obama make it 4-3 in favour of liberal judges? Even that's a strange one to me though, they get the job until they die don't they? I would've thought a fixed term for each one would be better. And stagger the end of terms. The Supreme Court is 9 justices with lifetime appointments. After Obama's "appointments" (technically, the President merely nominates a candidate who is then confirmed by the Senate), the court was considered split: 4 conservatives (Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Thomas), 4 liberals (Bader-Ginsburg, Sotamayor, Kagen and Breyer) and 1 swinger (Kennedy). This is why almost everything was coming out to a 5/4 decision, which is binding regardless of the slim majority. A few months ago, Scalia died unexpectedly, leaving only 8 justices. The Republican-lead Senate has refused to confirm Obama's nominee (a bluff-call nomination of a candidate mooted as acceptable previously by Republicans), so the seat sits empty. Currently, therefore, conservatives can force a tie with the support of Kennedy, but can't achieve a majority (a tie means the lower court's decision stands). Obama's nominee is likely to be in the Kennedy "swinger" mode, so their refusal to even interview the guy is either politically ballsy or politically cowardly, depending on your thoughts on the motivation. Either they're waiting for President Trump to nominate a conservative despite his dire prospects in November, or they're too scared of being branded a traitor by their own party for helping Obama seat another justice. Either way, the next President gets to nominate their own choice. Given Trump's strong penchant for nepotism, don't be surprised if he nominates his sister - a senior appeals court judge. Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Sep 2016 5.53pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Stuk

Good couple of posts. Glad to hear that even those who can vote think that it's a very strange system you've got.

Didn't Obama make it 4-3 in favour of liberal judges? Even that's a strange one to me though, they get the job until they die don't they?

I would've thought a fixed term for each one would be better. And stagger the end of terms.

The Supreme Court is 9 justices with lifetime appointments. After Obama's "appointments" (technically, the President merely nominates a candidate who is then confirmed by the Senate), the court was considered split: 4 conservatives (Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Thomas), 4 liberals (Bader-Ginsburg, Sotamayor, Kagen and Breyer) and 1 swinger (Kennedy). This is why almost everything was coming out to a 5/4 decision, which is binding regardless of the slim majority.

A few months ago, Scalia died unexpectedly, leaving only 8 justices. The Republican-lead Senate has refused to confirm Obama's nominee (a bluff-call nomination of a candidate mooted as acceptable previously by Republicans), so the seat sits empty. Currently, therefore, conservatives can force a tie with the support of Kennedy, but can't achieve a majority (a tie means the lower court's decision stands).

Obama's nominee is likely to be in the Kennedy "swinger" mode, so their refusal to even interview the guy is either politically ballsy or politically cowardly, depending on your thoughts on the motivation. Either they're waiting for President Trump to nominate a conservative despite his dire prospects in November, or they're too scared of being branded a traitor by their own party for helping Obama seat another justice. Either way, the next President gets to nominate their own choice.

Given Trump's strong penchant for nepotism, don't be surprised if he nominates his sister - a senior appeals court judge.

Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Sep 2016 5.53pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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banbandanas Birmingham 17 Sep 16 9.03am
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Obama will go down as one of the most influential presidents in US history. A few of his major, game-changing achievements are: * Economic recovery [Link] * Obamacare * Marriage equality * US-Cuba relations * Wall Street reform * Killed bin Laden Here's a longer list: [Link] His failures have been: * Not ending the war in Afghanistan * Not getting out of Iraq * Not closing Guantanamo Bay Basically, he got his major policy initiatives done, cleaned up the economic maelstrom he inherited, but failed to clean up the international s*** storm bequeathed to him by Bush/Cheney. I would add to his failures, the total lack of progress in the banning of bandanas.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Obama will go down as one of the most influential presidents in US history. A few of his major, game-changing achievements are:

* Economic recovery [Link]
* Obamacare
* Marriage equality
* US-Cuba relations
* Wall Street reform
* Killed bin Laden

Here's a longer list: [Link]

His failures have been:

* Not ending the war in Afghanistan
* Not getting out of Iraq
* Not closing Guantanamo Bay

Basically, he got his major policy initiatives done, cleaned up the economic maelstrom he inherited, but failed to clean up the international s*** storm bequeathed to him by Bush/Cheney.

I would add to his failures, the total lack of progress in the banning of bandanas.

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matt_himself Matataland 17 Sep 16 9.28am
Pastor Manning on Obama: [Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Pastor Manning on Obama:

[Link]

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Sep 16 10.32am
Originally posted by matt_himself Pastor Manning on Obama: [Link] Obama is a mac daddy!
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Originally posted by matt_himself

Pastor Manning on Obama:

[Link]

Obama is a mac daddy!

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 17 Sep 16 11.51am
Originally posted by nickgusset Obama is a mac daddy! The half wit "Honorable" Pastor Manning speaks his half mind. He uses the cross of St George and three lions emblem. And if I am not mistaken, his "heavies" standing behind him are wearing facsimile Victoria Crosses? Edited by Henry of Peckham (17 Sep 2016 11.29pm) Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Obama is a mac daddy!

The half wit "Honorable" Pastor Manning speaks his half mind.

He uses the cross of St George and three lions emblem. And if I am not mistaken, his "heavies" standing behind him are wearing facsimile Victoria Crosses?

Edited by Henry of Peckham (17 Sep 2016 11.29pm)

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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blackpalacefan 17 Sep 16 12.32pm
Quote Donald Trump on Friday said that Hillary Clinton�s Secret Service detail should have their guns taken away to �see what happens to her.� During a rally in Miami, Fla., Trump railed against Clinton�s gun control policies, saying she wants to �destroy your Second Amendment.� �I think that her bodyguards should drop all weapons,� he said. �They should disarm. Right? I think they should disarm immediately. �Take their guns away. She doesn�t want guns � let�s see what happens to her. Take their guns away, OK? It�d be very dangerous.� Beating on that drum again.
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Quote Donald Trump on Friday said that Hillary Clinton�s Secret Service detail should have their guns taken away to �see what happens to her.�

During a rally in Miami, Fla., Trump railed against Clinton�s gun control policies, saying she wants to �destroy your Second Amendment.�

�I think that her bodyguards should drop all weapons,� he said. �They should disarm. Right? I think they should disarm immediately.

�Take their guns away. She doesn�t want guns � let�s see what happens to her. Take their guns away, OK? It�d be very dangerous.�

Beating on that drum again.

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.TUX. 18 Sep 16 9.50am
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Obama will go down as one of the most influential presidents in US history. A few of his major, game-changing achievements are: * Economic recovery [Link] * Obamacare * Marriage equality * US-Cuba relations * Wall Street reform * Killed bin Laden Here's a longer list: [Link] His failures have been: * Not ending the war in Afghanistan * Not getting out of Iraq * Not closing Guantanamo Bay Basically, he got his major policy initiatives done, cleaned up the economic maelstrom he inherited, but failed to clean up the international s*** storm bequeathed to him by Bush/Cheney. Doubling the US debt is hardly 'cleaning up'. (Pumping Wall Street with QE money cannot in any way qualify as a recovery.) Unemployment figures also appear to be far higher than the 'official' 4.9%, and Food Stamp usage has also risen under Obama. Achievements? Hmmm........ Buy Litecoin.
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18 Sep 16 9.50am

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Obama will go down as one of the most influential presidents in US history. A few of his major, game-changing achievements are:

* Economic recovery [Link]
* Obamacare
* Marriage equality
* US-Cuba relations
* Wall Street reform
* Killed bin Laden

Here's a longer list: [Link]

His failures have been:

* Not ending the war in Afghanistan
* Not getting out of Iraq
* Not closing Guantanamo Bay

Basically, he got his major policy initiatives done, cleaned up the economic maelstrom he inherited, but failed to clean up the international s*** storm bequeathed to him by Bush/Cheney.

Doubling the US debt is hardly 'cleaning up'. (Pumping Wall Street with QE money cannot in any way qualify as a recovery.)
Unemployment figures also appear to be far higher than the 'official' 4.9%, and Food Stamp usage has also risen under Obama.

Achievements? Hmmm........

Buy Litecoin.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Sep 16 9.47pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Doubling the US debt is hardly 'cleaning up'. (Pumping Wall Street with QE money cannot in any way qualify as a recovery.) Unemployment figures also appear to be far higher than the 'official' 4.9%, and Food Stamp usage has also risen under Obama. Achievements? Hmmm........ Exactly and his immigration policy or lack of has been woeful. Pro USA & Israel
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