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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 16 10.49am
Originally posted by matt_himself I believe that Blair was socially centre left. Economically centre right. His government passed a number of socially leftish bills that no Tory government at the time would have considered, such as adopting the Human Rights Bill, Civil Partnership legislation, equalising the age of consent, aspects of the 2002 Employment Act and allowing unmarried couples to adopt. I think its very likely the conservatives would have passed the Human Rights Act (199 and most of the issues that people seem to have around this stems from not understanding how it relates to pre-existing UK law. I also think that the age of consent would likely have been lowered under a conservative government - given the next conservative government create gay marriage. I think they might have had more division in their party though over them. But gay issues were vote winners for parties on either side. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Sep 16 10.49am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I believe that Blair was socially centre left. Economically centre right.

His government passed a number of socially leftish bills that no Tory government at the time would have considered, such as adopting the Human Rights Bill, Civil Partnership legislation, equalising the age of consent, aspects of the 2002 Employment Act and allowing unmarried couples to adopt.

I think its very likely the conservatives would have passed the Human Rights Act (199 and most of the issues that people seem to have around this stems from not understanding how it relates to pre-existing UK law.

I also think that the age of consent would likely have been lowered under a conservative government - given the next conservative government create gay marriage.

I think they might have had more division in their party though over them. But gay issues were vote winners for parties on either side.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 23 Sep 16 10.50am
Originally posted by matt_himself It is probably fairer to say that an urban, left leaning elite have been shaping social policy in this country for nigh on two decades. Most of what they have forced upon British society, through legislation, law and the media, was not a 'grassroots' consensus (overbearing political correctness being the shining example). People like Blair, Brown, Straw, Burnham, Toynbee and Corbyn are culturally, politically and socially adrift by miles from the man in the Rochdale, Oldham, Portsmouth or Middlesbrough street, yet keep pursuing their social agenda on behalf of the mythical 'working class'. This is why this establishment got walloped on June 23rd and will get walloped in the next General Election & beyond. And it is a beautiful thing to see. Spot on analysis Matt... and hopefully prediction for the future!
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Hoof Hearted 23 Sep 16 10.50am

Originally posted by matt_himself

It is probably fairer to say that an urban, left leaning elite have been shaping social policy in this country for nigh on two decades. Most of what they have forced upon British society, through legislation, law and the media, was not a 'grassroots' consensus (overbearing political correctness being the shining example). People like Blair, Brown, Straw, Burnham, Toynbee and Corbyn are culturally, politically and socially adrift by miles from the man in the Rochdale, Oldham, Portsmouth or Middlesbrough street, yet keep pursuing their social agenda on behalf of the mythical 'working class'.

This is why this establishment got walloped on June 23rd and will get walloped in the next General Election & beyond. And it is a beautiful thing to see.

Spot on analysis Matt... and hopefully prediction for the future!

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 16 11.11am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Oh come on Jamie, surely you are pretending to not know what this refers to. It's not the old party-centric nature of whose in power now. It's the cultural liberalization of PC culture, political feminism, the body positivity movement and all other manifestations of the cultural liberalised left. So rather than ruled, the term pervasive ideas among the populace. I quite agree, ideas are definitely prevalent and rise and fall in popularity within society. Personally I find the hyperbole of political correctness gone mad just as annoying as people who throw out racist as a means of engaging in an actual debate. Its the new 'shouting fascist' at anyone who is right wing. I think there is a case for saying that the use of political correctness has probably run its course, now that its become adopted as a means of 'shouting down' rather than opening up discourse. Of course, the term liberal left does really just mean anything that isn't right wing. Following that American trend of the idea that somehow being liberal on an issue (i.e. open to right and left wing arguments towards a pragmatic solution) is somehow a bad thing. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Sep 16 11.11am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh come on Jamie, surely you are pretending to not know what this refers to.

It's not the old party-centric nature of whose in power now. It's the cultural liberalization of PC culture, political feminism, the body positivity movement and all other manifestations of the cultural liberalised left.

So rather than ruled, the term pervasive ideas among the populace. I quite agree, ideas are definitely prevalent and rise and fall in popularity within society.

Personally I find the hyperbole of political correctness gone mad just as annoying as people who throw out racist as a means of engaging in an actual debate. Its the new 'shouting fascist' at anyone who is right wing.

I think there is a case for saying that the use of political correctness has probably run its course, now that its become adopted as a means of 'shouting down' rather than opening up discourse.

Of course, the term liberal left does really just mean anything that isn't right wing. Following that American trend of the idea that somehow being liberal on an issue (i.e. open to right and left wing arguments towards a pragmatic solution) is somehow a bad thing.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 16 11.17am
Originally posted by matt_himself It is probably fairer to say that an urban, left leaning elite have been shaping social policy in this country for nigh on two decades. Most of what they have forced upon British society, through legislation, law and the media, was not a 'grassroots' consensus (overbearing political correctness being the shining example). People like Blair, Brown, Straw, Burnham, Toynbee and Corbyn are culturally, politically and socially adrift by miles from the man in the Rochdale, Oldham, Portsmouth or Middlesbrough street, yet keep pursuing their social agenda on behalf of the mythical 'working class'. This is why this establish got walloped on June 23rd and will get walloped in the next General Election & beyond. And it is a beautiful thing to see. That's a very good criticism of the Labour party in a nutshell. Although the reason for this, was to appeal to the centre ground and centre right, where most swing voters are present. The real error of New Labour wasn't that it focused social policy around these issues, but that it did so whilst failing to support its core base. On the left, issues like racism, gender inequality, sexuality etc have always been present within even the strong left power basis - Gay rights are nothing new to anyone who's ever been in a union. But the abandonment of the working class, by New Labour, to embrace a corporate upper working middle class conservative light economic policy, backed by identity politics as a 'leftist' incentive sold out the working classes. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Sep 16 11.17am

Originally posted by matt_himself

This is why this establish got walloped on June 23rd and will get walloped in the next General Election & beyond. And it is a beautiful thing to see.

That's a very good criticism of the Labour party in a nutshell. Although the reason for this, was to appeal to the centre ground and centre right, where most swing voters are present.

The real error of New Labour wasn't that it focused social policy around these issues, but that it did so whilst failing to support its core base. On the left, issues like racism, gender inequality, sexuality etc have always been present within even the strong left power basis - Gay rights are nothing new to anyone who's ever been in a union.

But the abandonment of the working class, by New Labour, to embrace a corporate upper working middle class conservative light economic policy, backed by identity politics as a 'leftist' incentive sold out the working classes.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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DanH SW2 23 Sep 16 1.32pm
Always cracks me to see you middle aged, straight, white and largely middle class males petrified that your grip on western society is under threat. The younger generation are far too liberal, multi cultured and 'politically correct' (i.e. not short-sighted individuals who fear difference) for any shift to the right to last that long.
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SW2 23 Sep 16 1.32pm

Always cracks me to see you middle aged, straight, white and largely middle class males petrified that your grip on western society is under threat.

The younger generation are far too liberal, multi cultured and 'politically correct' (i.e. not short-sighted individuals who fear difference) for any shift to the right to last that long.

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matt_himself Matataland 23 Sep 16 1.37pm
Originally posted by DanH Always cracks me to see you middle aged, straight, white and largely middle class males petrified that your grip on western society is under threat. The younger generation are far too liberal, multi cultured and 'politically correct' (i.e. not short-sighted individuals who fear difference) for any shift to the right to last that long. The above says to me that you are unable, or unwilling, to actually understand what is being said here. Your loss, not mine. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 23 Sep 16 1.37pm

Originally posted by DanH

Always cracks me to see you middle aged, straight, white and largely middle class males petrified that your grip on western society is under threat.

The younger generation are far too liberal, multi cultured and 'politically correct' (i.e. not short-sighted individuals who fear difference) for any shift to the right to last that long.

The above says to me that you are unable, or unwilling, to actually understand what is being said here.

Your loss, not mine.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Sep 16 1.40pm
Originally posted by matt_himself The above says to me that you are unable, or unwilling, to actually understand what is being said here. Your loss, not mine. The above tells me that you are closed to others points of views.
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Shizzlehurst 23 Sep 16 1.40pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

The above says to me that you are unable, or unwilling, to actually understand what is being said here.

Your loss, not mine.

The above tells me that you are closed to others points of views.

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banbandanas Birmingham 23 Sep 16 1.57pm
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banbandanas Birmingham 23 Sep 16 1.58pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted FFS... don't you start.... he needs no encouragement.... I've just got him to start debating sensibly! Didn't have you down as a bandana-wearer Hoof?
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Birmingham 23 Sep 16 1.58pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

FFS... don't you start.... he needs no encouragement.... I've just got him to start debating sensibly!

Didn't have you down as a bandana-wearer Hoof?

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Sportyteacher London 23 Sep 16 2.08pm
Originally posted by Part Time James I don't get it. Don't bother voting then as when I conscientiously (for the love of my family's future) bother to care and ask serious questions, I tend to receive insightful responses....however such substance is ALTOGETHER different from politically biased tabloids whose owners skimp upon corporate tax courtesy of ...our Govt!
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London 23 Sep 16 2.08pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

I don't get it.

Don't bother voting then as when I conscientiously (for the love of my family's future) bother to care and ask serious questions, I tend to receive insightful responses....however such substance is ALTOGETHER different from politically biased tabloids whose owners skimp upon corporate tax courtesy of ...our Govt!

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Stuk Top half 23 Sep 16 2.17pm
Originally posted by DanH The younger generation are far too liberal, multi cultured and 'politically correct' (i.e. not short-sighted individuals who fear difference) for any shift to the right to last that long. Apart from the fact that the younger ones turn out to vote in such low numbers. We have hardly shifted to the right either. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 23 Sep 16 2.17pm

Originally posted by DanH

The younger generation are far too liberal, multi cultured and 'politically correct' (i.e. not short-sighted individuals who fear difference) for any shift to the right to last that long.

Apart from the fact that the younger ones turn out to vote in such low numbers.

We have hardly shifted to the right either.

Optimistic as ever

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Sep 16 2.21pm
Originally posted by DanH Always cracks me to see you middle aged, straight, white and largely middle class males petrified that your grip on western society is under threat. The younger generation are far too liberal, multi cultured and 'politically correct' (i.e. not short-sighted individuals who fear difference) for any shift to the right to last that long. Actually DanH you maybe wrong on this point. I remember reading this a week or two back. [Link] Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Sep 16 2.21pm

Originally posted by DanH

Always cracks me to see you middle aged, straight, white and largely middle class males petrified that your grip on western society is under threat.

The younger generation are far too liberal, multi cultured and 'politically correct' (i.e. not short-sighted individuals who fear difference) for any shift to the right to last that long.

Actually DanH you maybe wrong on this point. I remember reading this a week or two back.

[Link]

Pro USA & Israel

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