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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 26 Sep 16 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

What are you talking about? 'Don't like it up you'? You have delivered nothing to change my view that you are a blowhard.

It is a fact Bertie that you live in one of the least multicultural places in the country. 740 'non white UK' people living there.

How can you dispute this? Oh yes, inferring that I am a racist, pulling up figures that don't change the fact that you live in one of the least multicultural places in e country and pisspoor attempts at insults.

Protest noted, m'lady.

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 26 Sep 16 12.17pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Protest noted, m'lady.

Pathetic.

 


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Originally posted by matt_himself

Understand where you are coming from but cities like NYC, Los Angeles and Chicago are multicultural and the drivers of the US economy.

Outside of a few main cities in the US, the occurrence of multiculturalism dissipate quickly.

That is a chicken and egg argument.

They attract migrants because they are big cities. Multi culture is a byproduct. The same a London.

 

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View Sedlescombe's Profile Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 26 Sep 16 3.55pm Send a Private Message to Sedlescombe Add Sedlescombe as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

We could fire countries at each other all night. It would get us nowhere.

My point is this: multiculturalism cannot be solely used as the reason for why the USA is a wealthy country. It is far more complex and nuanced than that. For example, the USA's natural resources, geographical location and relatively advanced colonial era society all contributed to its success.

Has multiculturalism contributed to America's success? Definately. Is America a true multicultural society: outside of the main metropolitan cities, no. Buttf*** County, Alabama is not the multicultural oasis the 5 Boroughs are.


my argument was to take issue with Hrolf's point that

"the so called liberal left attitude is to deny certain realities to perpetuate the idea that the majority believe in multiculturalism and see it as a positive thing when in fact the opposite us largely true. Multiculturalism will not work"

Countries like the UK and US demonstrably disprove this point and we are all richer - culturally and economically as a result. Are there limits to movement yes there are and I disagree with the resort to "racist" that weeks to close down discussion though it is often racists that are the loudest. We would be in a terrible mess without immigration and multiculturalism. I have had to go to the hospital regularly over the last six months. Wonder what staffing would be like if those Africans and eastern Europeans weren't there working hard and paying taxes,

 

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banbandanas Flag Birmingham 26 Sep 16 4.06pm

Many of the posts on this thread are saying that the UK and USA are really good and successful because they have high levels of multi-culturalism. Yet in other threads, many of the same posters, paint the UK and USA as failing, racist and catastrophic for ordinary people. To say any country is better because of multi-culturalism is as daft as saying it is better despite multi-culturalism.

 

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Originally posted by Sedlescombe


my argument was to take issue with Hrolf's point that

"the so called liberal left attitude is to deny certain realities to perpetuate the idea that the majority believe in multiculturalism and see it as a positive thing when in fact the opposite us largely true. Multiculturalism will not work"

Countries like the UK and US demonstrably disprove this point and we are all richer - culturally and economically as a result. Are there limits to movement yes there are and I disagree with the resort to "racist" that weeks to close down discussion though it is often racists that are the loudest. We would be in a terrible mess without immigration and multiculturalism. I have had to go to the hospital regularly over the last six months. Wonder what staffing would be like if those Africans and eastern Europeans weren't there working hard and paying taxes,

That really is subjective. There is also rarely a set of circumstances that are all good or all bad. It is the balance that is in question and exactly how many people are better off in any sense.

One could argue that the people of Earth could be well served by becoming homogenized. The process could be sped up by mixing cultures but that will be a very painful one for many generations. I would suggest that such a process could just as easily take place via technology and commerce. Already a large part of the world population is more similar culturally than it has been in the past. One day everyone hopefully will be similar enough to mix more easily but until then many of us who are seeing our countries filling up with alien cultures will feel uncomfortable.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Sep 16 9.31pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

What are you talking about? 'Don't like it up you'? You have delivered nothing to change my view that you are a blowhard.

It is a fact Bertie that you live in one of the least multicultural places in the country. 740 'non white UK' people living there.

How can you dispute this? Oh yes, inferring that I am a racist, pulling up figures that don't change the fact that you live in one of the least multicultural places in e country and pisspoor attempts at insults.

Race and culture aren't the same thing though. You can be white and of different culture (in fact having been to both Devon and Cornwall, they're very different places with very different cultural outlooks than say London.

I know people like to reduce multiculturalism to a euphemistic skin colour or foreign vs British culture - but it kind of misses the point.

I'm probably more welcome in Slough than parts of North Wales.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Sep 16 9.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That really is subjective. There is also rarely a set of circumstances that are all good or all bad. It is the balance that is in question and exactly how many people are better off in any sense.

One could argue that the people of Earth could be well served by becoming homogenized. The process could be sped up by mixing cultures but that will be a very painful one for many generations. I would suggest that such a process could just as easily take place via technology and commerce. Already a large part of the world population is more similar culturally than it has been in the past. One day everyone hopefully will be similar enough to mix more easily but until then many of us who are seeing our countries filling up with alien cultures will feel uncomfortable.

Quite, we're probably better off in some ways, worse off in others, dependent on how immersed you are with different cultures in different areas. Issues of diversity in Reading seem somewhat different than South London, despite only 40 or so miles and a high level different cultures.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Race and culture aren't the same thing though. You can be white and of different culture (in fact having been to both Devon and Cornwall, they're very different places with very different cultural outlooks than say London.

I know people like to reduce multiculturalism to a euphemistic skin colour or foreign vs British culture - but it kind of misses the point.

I'm probably more welcome in Slough than parts of North Wales.

I do understand that you can be white and not British. I wrote this in Eindhoven. Full of white people who ain't British.

Why are you defending Bertie? Let him dig himself out of his own hole.

 


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Originally posted by matt_himself

Bertie, I appreciate that you haven't encountered this because you live in a county where the population is over 97% white but the rate of immigration over the past decade has ruined communities.

Do you not think that instead of just dumping people in places, those encouraging immigration should have done more to assist in integration of people into communities, whilst also seeking to give comfort to those living in said communities that they will not be ignored?

If that had happened, Remain might have won the Referendum.

Nail on head. Governments don't care about how immigrants or the existing population can get along, making decisions from their ivory towers.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Sep 16 9.44am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I do understand that you can be white and not British. I wrote this in Eindhoven. Full of white people who ain't British.

Why are you defending Bertie? Let him dig himself out of his own hole.

You can be white British, and still have different cultural perspectives and beliefs, than other white British people (in fact the UK's white British population you'll find any number of different and conflicting competing cultures).

Reduction of culture to simple nationalist and ethnic divisions isn't really close to defining cultures. The same also applies within ethnicity and national groups.

I'm pretty sure, someone who's ever moved to a different part of the UK has experienced different cultures and norms, that diverge from their expectation the further they go.

 


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