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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Sep 16 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

I think that was the point the OP was making to be honest

Yes I know the point he was making.
All I was trying to do was to provide some supplementary facts regarding the tenureship of managers.

 

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View Selhurstboys's Profile Selhurstboys Flag Basel 23 Sep 16 12.23pm Send a Private Message to Selhurstboys Add Selhurstboys as a friend

No league win since 2003/4 for Wenger. Ok they've won 2 FA cups in recent years but imo Arsenal would have done better with a change. It's tough but club owners can't be sentimental with who and when they appoint a manager.

 

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View Littlebogreek's Profile Littlebogreek Flag 23 Sep 16 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Littlebogreek Add Littlebogreek as a friend

Originally posted by Selhurstboys

No league win since 2003/4 for Wenger. Ok they've won 2 FA cups in recent years but imo Arsenal would have done better with a change. It's tough but club owners can't be sentimental with who and when they appoint a manager.

Wenger lasts because he runs it like a business, makes them a profit and never complains to the press that he needs more money, in fact does the opposite and claims there is money but he doesn't want to use it. He's pretty unique in that way.

 

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View wonder's Profile wonder Flag Madrid 23 Sep 16 1.19pm Send a Private Message to wonder Add wonder as a friend

the benzema deal keeps falling through because wengers been spending so much on wilsheres ps4 games

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 23 Sep 16 1.55pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

For us, we historically have to sack blatantly s*** managers while those with promise got poached. Circumstances mean that AP could be a bit of an exception if he turns out to be someone who has us finishing 9th-15th for several years. Good enough for us, good enough for him.

 


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View Podyonkers's Profile Podyonkers Flag Atlanta, Georgia 24 Sep 16 4.00am Send a Private Message to Podyonkers Add Podyonkers as a friend

Originally posted by citizensmudge

If you haven't designed this to kick off another anti vs pro Pardew borefest then you must be new here or just felt like having some "Thank F@ck Its Friday" amusement for the day.I'm off to bed but I look forward to seeing where this has ended up later depending on whether someone is stupid enough to light the blue touch paper.Have a nice day everyone

No, mate. Wow. If anything, I was bringing it up to try and calm the conversation not inflame it. I meant in light of all the arguing about the manager, maybe we should look at it differently and think about how much time we should give any manager. Sorry if it didn't come off that way.

 


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citizensmudge Flag midlands 24 Sep 16 4.21am

Originally posted by Podyonkers

No, mate. Wow. If anything, I was bringing it up to try and calm the conversation not inflame it. I meant in light of all the arguing about the manager, maybe we should look at it differently and think about how much time we should give any manager. Sorry if it didn't come off that way.

I wasn't having a go at you I was just expecting it to descend into another pro/anti Pardew thread like so many that have gone before.You really don't have anything to apologise for if anything it should be me as I was wide of the mark on this occasion

 

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ParchmoreEagle Flag Belair 24 Sep 16 6.03am

You hire people on the basis of competence - nothing else. Wenger, Ferguson and their ilk were/are competent. Should we have kept Holloway? or Warnock? No - because they were not competent. With Pardew it's the same deal - he needs to be retained or let go based on his level of competence. Is that too much to ask? Should we all be loyal bitches and pay hubby nearly 1 million a year to shove it up our collective arses? (Hoping Tomkins or someone is competent enough to do Dann's job on Saturday...remember, we need to be 'consistent', which is one thing Pardew is...)

 


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View Dangermouse's Profile Dangermouse Flag Hastings 24 Sep 16 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

How long's a piece of string?
Too many changes are actually affecting teams more in modern football than in the old days IMO. So much money means every manager that comes in brings in a fresh crop of players and the team is often stuck with unwanted players on big wages. Players that the new guy hasn't even given a chance and all because the clubs have the money to keep bringing in second rate foreign 'talent'.
At Sunderland Poyet bought Bridcutt and Buckley, both good players who I believed were good enough for the prem league, but Poyet lost his job and 3/4 managers later both were never given a go and are God knows where now?
Same at Villa and Newcastle.
Really think a return to a midweek reserve league is needed now to give all these types of players relevant game time, because going into the team cold is doing no one any favours and who knows a manager might find he already has the type of players he needs at the club.

 


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View Podyonkers's Profile Podyonkers Flag Atlanta, Georgia 25 Sep 16 2.02am Send a Private Message to Podyonkers Add Podyonkers as a friend

Originally posted by citizensmudge

I wasn't having a go at you I was just expecting it to descend into another pro/anti Pardew thread like so many that have gone before.You really don't have anything to apologise for if anything it should be me as I was wide of the mark on this occasion

Yeah, no worries. I'm with you in that I don't need another tired conversation about the merits of Pardew. I don't post very often but been on here for years, mostly just reading and listening. I add in from time to time but I usually just catch up with what people are talking about.

In this case, I thought there was a conversation to be had about how we approach managership. It's not about Pardew, really. It's about where the owners seem to be taking us, and what we should expect from the manager no matter who they are.

So anyway. Pardew out. Or in.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Sep 16 8.51am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Dangermouse

How long's a piece of string?
Too many changes are actually affecting teams more in modern football than in the old days IMO. So much money means every manager that comes in brings in a fresh crop of players and the team is often stuck with unwanted players on big wages. Players that the new guy hasn't even given a chance and all because the clubs have the money to keep bringing in second rate foreign 'talent'.
At Sunderland Poyet bought Bridcutt and Buckley, both good players who I believed were good enough for the prem league, but Poyet lost his job and 3/4 managers later both were never given a go and are God knows where now?
Same at Villa and Newcastle.
Really think a return to a midweek reserve league is needed now to give all these types of players relevant game time, because going into the team cold is doing no one any favours and who knows a manager might find he already has the type of players he needs at the club.

Poyet signed both Bridcutt and Buckley for Brighton and then signed them for Sunderland for a combined fee of £5.5 Mill.
Bridcutt is now at Leeds, signed by Garry Monk, whilst Buckley is on 'Loan' to Sheff Wed but is still on the books of Sunderland.


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