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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 27 Sep 16 12.37pm
Originally posted by Willo The same has been said of John Stones and David Luiz. It must be some 10 years ago that O'Neill commented that Cahill has a lot of talent but makes elementary mistakes.But he has improved since then with experience. Edited by Willo (27 Sep 2016 12.27pm) A fair point though I think the two you refer to are slightly different in that I think both are in some ways too talented for their own good and try to complicate things when they would be better off just hoofing it clear at times. Luiz is an odd one. He clearly has plenty of talent but his performances can sometimes be shockingly bad. For example in the World Cup against Germany which must be one of the worst defensive performances of all time (though the left back ran him close)
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Sedlescombe 27 Sep 16 12.37pm

Originally posted by Willo

The same has been said of John Stones and David Luiz.

It must be some 10 years ago that O'Neill commented that Cahill has a lot of talent but makes elementary mistakes.But he has improved since then with experience.

Edited by Willo (27 Sep 2016 12.27pm)

A fair point though I think the two you refer to are slightly different in that I think both are in some ways too talented for their own good and try to complicate things when they would be better off just hoofing it clear at times. Luiz is an odd one. He clearly has plenty of talent but his performances can sometimes be shockingly bad. For example in the World Cup against Germany which must be one of the worst defensive performances of all time (though the left back ran him close)

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Sep 16 12.54pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe A fair point though I think the two you refer to are slightly different in that I think both are in some ways too talented for their own good and try to complicate things when they would be better off just hoofing it clear at times. Luiz is an odd one. He clearly has plenty of talent but his performances can sometimes be shockingly bad. For example in the World Cup against Germany which must be one of the worst defensive performances of all time (though the left back ran him close) Very baffling signing in that he is not a Conte type defender when you consider some of the types of defenders he had at Juventus.Was signed very late in the 'Window' - perhaps he tried others and wasn't successful, he really needed to get someone in and decided to sign Luiz at the last minute. Sold by Chelsea for �50 Mill and re-signed for �34 Mill ! He certainly needs to bolster his defensive ranks in January. Edited by Willo (27 Sep 2016 1.01pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Sep 16 12.54pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

A fair point though I think the two you refer to are slightly different in that I think both are in some ways too talented for their own good and try to complicate things when they would be better off just hoofing it clear at times. Luiz is an odd one. He clearly has plenty of talent but his performances can sometimes be shockingly bad. For example in the World Cup against Germany which must be one of the worst defensive performances of all time (though the left back ran him close)

Very baffling signing in that he is not a Conte type defender when you consider some of the types of defenders he had at Juventus.Was signed very late in the 'Window' - perhaps he tried others and wasn't successful, he really needed to get someone in and decided to sign Luiz at the last minute. Sold by Chelsea for �50 Mill and re-signed for �34 Mill ! He certainly needs to bolster his defensive ranks in January.

Edited by Willo (27 Sep 2016 1.01pm)

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dynamicdick Dormansland 27 Sep 16 1.06pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Interesting that a couple of people think that he wouldnt get in our team....i'd disagree and see him as a better defender to both Tomkins and Damo and has greater experience than Dann. Surely competition in that department is exactly what we'd be after, however i'd agree that coming from Chelsea he may want some sort of guarantee with regards to game time. Cahill is a truly awful defender and is no way better than Dann, Tompkins or Delaney. If Zuma were fit he would be playing in his position. Conte will have him out of the door as soon as he is able. Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 27 Sep 16 1.06pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Interesting that a couple of people think that he wouldnt get in our team....i'd disagree and see him as a better defender to both Tomkins and Damo and has greater experience than Dann.

Surely competition in that department is exactly what we'd be after, however i'd agree that coming from Chelsea he may want some sort of guarantee with regards to game time.

Cahill is a truly awful defender and is no way better than Dann, Tompkins or Delaney. If Zuma were fit he would be playing in his position. Conte will have him out of the door as soon as he is able.

Bring back Brolin

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Lyons550 Shirley 27 Sep 16 1.41pm
Originally posted by dynamicdick Cahill is a truly awful defender and is no way better than Dann, Tompkins or Delaney. If Zuma were fit he would be playing in his position. Conte will have him out of the door as soon as he is able. He's certainly struggling with form at present but to suggest he's truly awful and not as good as Damo and Tomkins, is stretching things..... a fair bit The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 27 Sep 16 1.41pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Cahill is a truly awful defender and is no way better than Dann, Tompkins or Delaney. If Zuma were fit he would be playing in his position. Conte will have him out of the door as soon as he is able.

He's certainly struggling with form at present but to suggest he's truly awful and not as good as Damo and Tomkins, is stretching things..... a fair bit

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Sportyteacher London 27 Sep 16 7.28pm
Why don't we approach every SUPPOSED supreme Prem player who is clearly not fit for playing in The Premiership? As I write this, I bow my head unattempted forgiveness for previously assuming that Bony and / or Zaza would be TOP buys in recent transfer market...and how they come to show themselves of late as bereft of form. Cahill simply needs to work DAMN hard at rediscovering former top form and then reigniting his status within First X!
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Why don't we approach every SUPPOSED supreme Prem player who is clearly not fit for playing in The Premiership? As I write this, I bow my head unattempted forgiveness for previously assuming that Bony and / or Zaza would be TOP buys in recent transfer market...and how they come to show themselves of late as bereft of form.

Cahill simply needs to work DAMN hard at rediscovering former top form and then reigniting his status within First X!

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Sportyteacher London 27 Sep 16 7.29pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Why don't we approach every SUPPOSED supreme Prem player who is clearly not fit for playing in The Premiership? As I write this, I bow my head unattempted forgiveness for previously assuming that Bony and / or Zaza would be TOP buys in recent transfer market...and how they come to show themselves of late as bereft of form. Cahill simply needs to work DAMN hard at rediscovering former top form and then reigniting his status within First X! Make that: First XI[/
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Cahill simply needs to work DAMN hard at rediscovering former top form and then reigniting his status within First X!

Make that: First XI[/

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Lyons550 Shirley 28 Sep 16 9.03am
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Make that: First XI[/ Or even First XI The only reason I mention him is that he's a proven CB of quality (Form is temporary) and would be a step up from what we have. If he was playing well currently I wouldn't even be suggesting him as Chelsea wouldn't consider letting him go (which is the report on which I based this thread)....we're not currently in the position that we can start poaching players from top sides because we want to...we're still in a position where we need to feed off of the scraps from the top teams table. Edited by Lyons550 (28 Sep 2016 9.05am) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 28 Sep 16 9.03am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Make that: First XI[/

Or even First XI

The only reason I mention him is that he's a proven CB of quality (Form is temporary) and would be a step up from what we have. If he was playing well currently I wouldn't even be suggesting him as Chelsea wouldn't consider letting him go (which is the report on which I based this thread)....we're not currently in the position that we can start poaching players from top sides because we want to...we're still in a position where we need to feed off of the scraps from the top teams table.

Edited by Lyons550 (28 Sep 2016 9.05am)

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glaziermart 03 Oct 16 10.53am
He is not the player he was three years ago, and currently is nowhere near as good as Dann or Tomkins. He would be a bench warmer for us
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03 Oct 16 10.53am

He is not the player he was three years ago, and currently is nowhere near as good as Dann or Tomkins. He would be a bench warmer for us

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 03 Oct 16 11.38am
Originally posted by Lyons550 Or even First XI The only reason I mention him is that he's a proven CB of quality (Form is temporary) and would be a step up from what we have. If he was playing well currently I wouldn't even be suggesting him as Chelsea wouldn't consider letting him go (which is the report on which I based this thread)....we're not currently in the position that we can start poaching players from top sides because we want to...we're still in a position where we need to feed off of the scraps from the top teams table. Edited by Lyons550 (28 Sep 2016 9.05am) He looks lost if he's not got John Terry telling him what to do. Not the brightest! I'd prefer a CB with a bit more pace if we decide to buy another one.
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Originally posted by Lyons550

Or even First XI

Edited by Lyons550 (28 Sep 2016 9.05am)

He looks lost if he's not got John Terry telling him what to do. Not the brightest!

I'd prefer a CB with a bit more pace if we decide to buy another one.

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palace-metros Redhill 03 Oct 16 10.33pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle He looks lost if he's not got John Terry telling him what to do. Not the brightest! I'd prefer a CB with a bit more pace if we decide to buy another one. Totally agree. He'd have been nowhere near the England squad if he wasn't playing at Chelski. You want leadership from your centre halves and Cahill doesn't show any in my opinion. In case anyone's in any doubt, that's a "NO" from me. Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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Redhill 03 Oct 16 10.33pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

He looks lost if he's not got John Terry telling him what to do. Not the brightest!

I'd prefer a CB with a bit more pace if we decide to buy another one.

Totally agree. He'd have been nowhere near the England squad if he wasn't playing at Chelski. You want leadership from your centre halves and Cahill doesn't show any in my opinion. In case anyone's in any doubt, that's a "NO" from me.

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

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dynamicdick Dormansland 10 Oct 16 10.05pm
Originally posted by glaziermart He is not the player he was three years ago, and currently is nowhere near as good as Dann or Tomkins. He would be a bench warmer for us And yet......he still gets picked for England!! Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 10 Oct 16 10.05pm

Originally posted by glaziermart

He is not the player he was three years ago, and currently is nowhere near as good as Dann or Tomkins. He would be a bench warmer for us

And yet......he still gets picked for England!!

Bring back Brolin

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The Dolphin 12 Oct 16 7.02pm
We all know that if you play for one of the top 6 then you get in regardless of ability and form - Cahill fits that type 100%. My Chelsea mates reckon he is a liability. Edited by The Dolphin (12 Oct 2016 7.03pm)
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12 Oct 16 7.02pm

We all know that if you play for one of the top 6 then you get in regardless of ability and form - Cahill fits that type 100%.
My Chelsea mates reckon he is a liability.

Edited by The Dolphin (12 Oct 2016 7.03pm)

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