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carlonoil Naples 09 Oct 16 4.51pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 True but certainly his teachings were ahead of their time and his at-the-time radical thoughts were to have strong similarities down the line with future socialism. The whole Christian Socialist movement is based on that. Jesus was a 'socialist' way before the word was even invented. He just didn't know it. I guess Mohamed was a socialist too - new left variety I expect. Don't suppose he realised either. Moses, another definite progressive. Early version though, as only 10 commandments, a modern socialist would have thousands of more rules as to how you must run things. Edited by carlonoil (09 Oct 2016 5.13pm)
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carlonoil

Naples 09 Oct 16 4.51pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

True but certainly his teachings were ahead of their time and his at-the-time radical thoughts were to have strong similarities down the line with future socialism. The whole Christian Socialist movement is based on that.

Jesus was a 'socialist' way before the word was even invented. He just didn't know it.

I guess Mohamed was a socialist too - new left variety I expect. Don't suppose he realised either.
Moses, another definite progressive. Early version though, as only 10 commandments, a modern socialist would have thousands of more rules as to how you must run things.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Oct 16 10.09am
Originally posted by carlonoil What exactly is 'social justice'? I did a 60 credit level 2 Open University course for my Criminology degree on Social Justice, and after a year of study, I can tell you, that in general terms, its the dissonance between the legal system of justice and citizens perceptions of justice, constructed as a series of social discourses, that effectively over time are historically resolved in society, or effect change to the legal system. Hope that helps. Alternatively, social justice is a 23 week long argument about social justice. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 10 Oct 16 10.09am

Originally posted by carlonoil

What exactly is 'social justice'?

I did a 60 credit level 2 Open University course for my Criminology degree on Social Justice, and after a year of study, I can tell you, that in general terms, its the dissonance between the legal system of justice and citizens perceptions of justice, constructed as a series of social discourses, that effectively over time are historically resolved in society, or effect change to the legal system.

Hope that helps. Alternatively, social justice is a 23 week long argument about social justice.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Oct 16 10.20am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt This is going to be tricky if your position is that Jesus is a fictional character. If Jesus was a socialist, he'd have to regard himself as non-existent, given that socialism is atheistic (being both anti-theist and based in scientific rationalism). Plus socialism promotes the importance of the secular existence and the functionality of the state. Its like believing in God as the creator of evolution. Its just effectively picking the bits that support an argument and ignoring the rest. Socialism traditionally isn't all that much into forgiveness and turning the other cheek, either. More revolution etc. It also doesn't work in reverse. You don't tend to look at people like Marx, Engles, Castro, Meinhoff, Guevera or Lennin, and think, they're just like Jesus (except maybe in terms of having some fierce beard - well except for Meinhoff, although she did have quite a hairy mary by all accounts). Just caring about the poor and being anti-materialist doesn't make you socialist either. Fascists and Nazism, also were very focused on anti-materialism and the plight of the poor. You don't tend to picture Jesus on the mount, feeding the 5000, and then handing out AKR assault rifles to lead a guerrilla war with the view to overthrowing the Palestine puppet government of the Roman oppressors. Jesus was an architect, previous to his career as a prophet. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 10 Oct 16 10.20am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

This is going to be tricky if your position is that Jesus is a fictional character.

If Jesus was a socialist, he'd have to regard himself as non-existent, given that socialism is atheistic (being both anti-theist and based in scientific rationalism).

Plus socialism promotes the importance of the secular existence and the functionality of the state.

Its like believing in God as the creator of evolution. Its just effectively picking the bits that support an argument and ignoring the rest.

Socialism traditionally isn't all that much into forgiveness and turning the other cheek, either. More revolution etc.

It also doesn't work in reverse. You don't tend to look at people like Marx, Engles, Castro, Meinhoff, Guevera or Lennin, and think, they're just like Jesus (except maybe in terms of having some fierce beard - well except for Meinhoff, although she did have quite a hairy mary by all accounts).

Just caring about the poor and being anti-materialist doesn't make you socialist either. Fascists and Nazism, also were very focused on anti-materialism and the plight of the poor.

You don't tend to picture Jesus on the mount, feeding the 5000, and then handing out AKR assault rifles to lead a guerrilla war with the view to overthrowing the Palestine puppet government of the Roman oppressors.

Jesus was an architect, previous to his career as a prophet.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 10 Oct 16 10.37am
Thank heavens jamie is here to clear up all this confusion?
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Hoof Hearted 10 Oct 16 10.37am

Thank heavens jamie is here to clear up all this confusion?

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