Fair play to you Johny, but I think Stirling refers to the lack of numbers attending church these days as an indicator of us not really being Christian anymore?

I've just seen Stirling's reply and he was referring to numbers at Church.

It really is one man and his dog plus organ at most churches these days..... LOL

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Yes... and sausage rolls, ham sandwiches, pork scratchings etc.

Comes in peace and leaves in pieces.

If it weren't so true it would be smirk-able.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

In some ways Hoof, I dont disagree with either yourself or Stirling wrt church attendance. i have seen the figures that these are in decline strangely moreso in the church or England. I can only speak for myself to say that the in the church I go to on Sunday it is sometimes difficult to get a seat, full of kids, families, older people and some WUM's apparently! (haha!). Wednesday's and fridays are full of older people but younger people are generally at work, school or dont have the time. And you dont have to be the greatest believer (which includes me) to contribute to the community side of the church, helping kids, charities, old people, refugees etc.
My point was that people seem to forget that Christmas was about the housing of a displaced (refugee) family and the birth of Jesus, not just about naff cards, xmas trees, presents, 2 bank holidays, xmas parties and downing a bottle of Harvey Bristol cream which I would say about 75% of the UK population is happy to partake in.
I also dont think that if you go to church you are automatically a good person, I know some at my own church who are very 'out for themselves', sanctimonious selfish people.' I could provide many examples.
I also believe there are a many good people, probably like yourself Hoof who may not be a churchgoer but is charitable (e.g. your greyhound work) and are probably quietly upset at the plight of refugees and are busy dusting down their spare room and manger to take in a poor refugee boy/man....or am I wrong!

It's not just Judeo-Christian teaching that talks about a great flood. I believe there were other ancient civilisations that talked about a deluge in antiquity. Whether it's the same one, who knows.