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Blimey 11 years in the country & he doesn't even speak a word of English....

 


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Personally, I'm perfectly happy for her to apologise from me. Alas, those who were so desperate to bomb Syria are now finding out the cost of it. Those same people who want involved in the Middle East are upset about being involved in the Middle East. It all goes back to the 40s and getting involved in Israel. Get involved
when you must and anything else don't cry when it bites you in the ass.

 


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He was right!!!...and we killed him!!... poor Orpinton Eagles........

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Originally posted by Kingvagabond

Personally, I'm perfectly happy for her to apologise from me. Alas, those who were so desperate to bomb Syria are now finding out the cost of it. Those same people who want involved in the Middle East are upset about being involved in the Middle East. It all goes back to the 40s and getting involved in Israel. Get involved
when you must and anything else don't cry when it bites you in the ass.

Finding out the cost of bombing Syria are we?

Wow...I never knew I regretted that....Pray tell me, what am I so upset about?

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Oct 16 7.45am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kingvagabond

Personally, I'm perfectly happy for her to apologise from me. Alas, those who were so desperate to bomb Syria are now finding out the cost of it. Those same people who want involved in the Middle East are upset about being involved in the Middle East. It all goes back to the 40s and getting involved in Israel. Get involved
when you must and anything else don't cry when it bites you in the ass.

We didn't cause the issues in Syria. A popular uprising against a dictator, which was followed by an insurgent group filling the void of power in parts of the country, which was followed by, at best, a clumsy and uncoordinated approach from the international community.

No one is keen to bomb anywhere. Bombing has to viewed as part of the last sequence of action available to the international community when society breaks down in a country and threatens to spread to other countries.

If we had had balls, we would have sent in ground troops and help the Syrians rid their country of ISIS, then broker a peace between governmental forces and the rebels and oversee a rebuilding exercise in the country. Russia has to be involved and be mature in its approach, not strategic.

It is the ordinary people of Syria who have suffered worse but this is not 'our' doing and the following humitarian crisis and its piss poor handling by Merkel is not 'our' fault. Some real reflection and understanding needs to be used in this instance.

 


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The truth behind this virtue signalling:

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Originally posted by matt_himself

We didn't cause the issues in Syria. A popular uprising against a dictator, which was followed by an insurgent group filling the void of power in parts of the country, which was followed by, at best, a clumsy and uncoordinated approach from the international community.

No one is keen to bomb anywhere. Bombing has to viewed as part of the last sequence of action available to the international community when society breaks down in a country and threatens to spread to other countries.

If we had had balls, we would have sent in ground troops and help the Syrians rid their country of ISIS, then broker a peace between governmental forces and the rebels and oversee a rebuilding exercise in the country. Russia has to be involved and be mature in its approach, not strategic.

It is the ordinary people of Syria who have suffered worse but this is not 'our' doing and the following humitarian crisis and its piss poor handling by Merkel is not 'our' fault. Some real reflection and understanding needs to be used in this instance.

Seconded......If we had intervened heavily early on we may have avoided much of this miserly now.

The left and a fair proportion on the right ended up enabling the space for Russia to come in and practically win this for Assad.

The enabling of the enlargement of ISIS into a caliphate was a direct result of the withdraw of US troops and ally troops.....This was repeatedly called for by the left....But of course they take no responsibility for worsening an already bad situation by an alarming and massively costly degree.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 16 9.03am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Seconded......If we had intervened heavily early on we may have avoided much of this miserly now.

The left and a fair proportion on the right ended up enabling the space for Russia to come in and practically win this for Assad.

The enabling of the enlargement of ISIS into a caliphate was a direct result of the withdraw of US troops and ally troops.....This was repeatedly called for by the left....But of course they take no responsibility for worsening an already bad situation by an alarming and massively costly degree.

According to this respected American newspaper, the west are supporting Al quaeeda factions. [Link]
Dunno how true it is but there's so much information / misinformation out there its difficult to make a reasonable judgement call.

 

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Originally posted by Kermit8

I would think Utopia would be have their dead family members and friends back and to be living in peace in their own home in their own land.

Well that isn't going to happen in Syria so they are doing the right thing for them. Good luck to 'em.

The reality of this is that approx 29% of Britons in a recent poll said that we shouldnt accept a single more refugee (even children). So whether Lily Allen was apologising for this 29% or the other 71% we do not know. When Nigel Farage (perhaps surprisingly not one of the 29%) gave his famous speech post Brexit in Brussels that the other members hadnt done a days work in their lives i was one of those shaking my head like the MEP sitting behind him who had been transported to a Siberian gulag from lithuania as a child but went on to become a cardiac surgeon. However unpalatable i found this, NF was entitled to say what he wanted as surely we all believe in free spèech. But before we condemn Lily we are happy to believe and endorse possibly misleading information written in the Daily Mail or Express because the truth about 99% of refugees is that they are not migrants, they are not allowed to work, they receive £5 a day to live on, they do not jump queues for housing (most only get the most basic shelter), a large portion of the females have been sexually abused, most are living destitute and way below the poverty line and 99% look forward to the 'utopia' of one day being able to return home. But in the words of that other famous brexiteer David Davis 'if democracy doesnt allow for the people to change their minds, then it ceases to be a democracy'

 

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Originally posted by JohnyBoy

The reality of this is that approx 29% of Britons in a recent poll said that we shouldnt accept a single more refugee (even children). So whether Lily Allen was apologising for this 29% or the other 71% we do not know. When Nigel Farage (perhaps surprisingly not one of the 29%) gave his famous speech post Brexit in Brussels that the other members hadnt done a days work in their lives i was one of those shaking my head like the MEP sitting behind him who had been transported to a Siberian gulag from lithuania as a child but went on to become a cardiac surgeon. However unpalatable i found this, NF was entitled to say what he wanted as surely we all believe in free spèech. But before we condemn Lily we are happy to believe and endorse possibly misleading information written in the Daily Mail or Express because the truth about 99% of refugees is that they are not migrants, they are not allowed to work, they receive £5 a day to live on, they do not jump queues for housing (most only get the most basic shelter), a large portion of the females have been sexually abused, most are living destitute and way below the poverty line and 99% look forward to the 'utopia' of one day being able to return home. But in the words of that other famous brexiteer David Davis 'if democracy doesnt allow for the people to change their minds, then it ceases to be a democracy'

So you are advocating an open door policy to all people who call themselves 'refugees'?

How would you fund this? How would you create the additional services required to implement such a vast wave of immigration, the extra schools, hospitals and jobs required? How would you ensure that social harmony exists in communities where these 'refugees' are settled?

Edited by matt_himself (16 Oct 2016 2.23pm)

 


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Originally posted by matt_himself

So you are advocating an open door policy to all people who call themselves 'refugees'?

How would you fund this? How would you create the additional services required to implement such a vast wave of immigration, the extra schools, hospitals and jobs required? How would you ensure that social harmony exists in communities where these 'refugees' are settled?

Edited by matt_himself (16 Oct 2016 2.23pm)

Not only should we not be taking in any more of these alleged 'refugees', we need to round up and remove a significant percentage of the ones already here, especially the young, single, military aged males, of whom there appears be a disproportionately large number.

 


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Originally posted by matt_himself

So you are advocating an open door policy to all people who call themselves 'refugees'?

How would you fund this? How would you create the additional services required to implement such a vast wave of immigration, the extra schools, hospitals and jobs required? How would you ensure that social harmony exists in communities where these 'refugees' are settled?

Edited by matt_himself (16 Oct 2016 2.23pm)

I didnt advocate an open door policy. The truth is that under international law there is no requirement for a refugee to register in the first country they arrive in. There is only an eu directive that allows a country to return a refugee to the first country, presumably we will lose this right after brexit. But what most people do not know is that to claim refugee status in Britain in extremely difficult and only 41% of applications are approved....it also comes with strict conditions e.g. not allowed to work and is time restricted mostly 5 years ....there are far less restrictions on 'migrants'. Children are 'housed' in secure detention centres whilst their applications are reviewed which takes months. Poor or 'undeveloped' countries take in 86% of refugees, often providing better facilities and more support than 'developed' countries including the uk which is a fully signed up member to the 1951 treaty on refugees. So can we do more - i think so but i understand there are many Brits (29%) who would like us to do less. That is their call.
I know a family of refugees who fled Tanzania in the early 70s (in the Idi Amin era) They never claimed a single bob from the state since that time as back then they were allowed to work. All of them since have significantly added to uk tax coffers, starting off with a corner shop. One of them now pays over 100k pa in tax, but even though they cant be accused of taking benefits, the other angle is used and he gets told that he has taken a job off a british person.
Truth is his job in marketing would probably not even exist as he created it himself.

 

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Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I didnt advocate an open door policy. The truth is that under international law there is no requirement for a refugee to register in the first country they arrive in. There is only an eu directive that allows a country to return a refugee to the first country, presumably we will lose this right after brexit. But what most people do not know is that to claim refugee status in Britain in extremely difficult and only 41% of applications are approved....it also comes with strict conditions e.g. not allowed to work and is time restricted mostly 5 years ....there are far less restrictions on 'migrants'. Children are 'housed' in secure detention centres whilst their applications are reviewed which takes months. Poor or 'undeveloped' countries take in 86% of refugees, often providing better facilities and more support than 'developed' countries including the uk which is a fully signed up member to the 1951 treaty on refugees. So can we do more - i think so but i understand there are many Brits (29%) who would like us to do less. That is their call.
I know a family of refugees who fled Tanzania in the early 70s (in the Idi Amin era) They never claimed a single bob from the state since that time as back then they were allowed to work. All of them since have significantly added to uk tax coffers, starting off with a corner shop. One of them now pays over 100k pa in tax, but even though they cant be accused of taking benefits, the other angle is used and he gets told that he has taken a job off a british person.
Truth is his job in marketing would probably not even exist as he created it himself.

I, like 88% of HOL posters, don't understand your point 91% of the time. Maybe if you used 21% more grammatically effective paragraphs, or 32% more cogent argument, you would be 53% more effective in getting your message across.

Of course, that doesn't factor in the 78% of us who may think that you are a WUM, or the 47% who think you are simple and misguided or the 88% who fell asleep after reading 12% of your contributions.

 


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