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View palace-metros's Profile palace-metros Flag Redhill 23 Oct 16 8.24pm Send a Private Message to palace-metros Add palace-metros as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

What strengths, you mean for the last 3 seasons where we have barely managed to achieve possession of 30% of a game, can not string two passes together on the floor and continuously boot the ball to Zaha and bolasie so they can blindly run as fast as they can down the wing and hope for the best.

Of course we're going through a transitional period, what more do you expect, how about giving pardew time to build a decent squad. Mind you I know a club of our size and history should be expecting a bit more than 11th in the top flight.

3 points behind the biggest club in the world with one of the so called best managers and the world's most expensive player. Yeah shocking let's get rid of pardew.

Spot on rikz. Simply not good enough is it. We should be able to get top 4 with 25% possession - just like Leicester who by the way are totally dogsh*te and who we also should have beaten yesterday...blah, blah, blah....Bubble might not agree but smudge ain't far off you know!

 


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chateauferret Flag 23 Oct 16 8.55pm

Originally posted by rikz

What strengths, you mean for the last 3 seasons where we have barely managed to achieve possession of 30% of a game, can not string two passes together on the floor and continuously boot the ball to Zaha and bolasie so they can blindly run as fast as they can down the wing and hope for the best.

Of course we're going through a transitional period, what more do you expect, how about giving pardew time to build a decent squad. Mind you I know a club of our size and history should be expecting a bit more than 11th in the top flight.

3 points behind the biggest club in the world with one of the so called best managers and the world's most expensive player. Yeah shocking let's get rid of pardew.

Where did I say we should get rid of him?

I said the Board might upgrade him if a better candidate came up.

So far one hasn't. I wouldn't say that Allardyce, for example, was good enough to warrant an upheaval.

Oh and can I remind you what Leicester achieved last season with possession about 30%? They did it by ... errm concentrating in getting results and playing to their strengths.

Edited by chateauferret (23 Oct 2016 8.58pm)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Oct 16 9.14pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Ok I've had a few but feel I need to post here.

This is going to surprise a couple of people because of my previous criticism of Pardew.

Slate Pardew? This season so far? No. Criticism is fair. Slating? No. Well not atm.

I thought Pardew was an average manager when he left Newcastle (and I know the specific reason he wanted to and I don't blame him) but he delivered satisfactory finishes most seasons. I said theyd be relegated within 18 months without a decent manager and they were. Nearly within 5 months who a Geordie got worked up about listing his tours of duty to me while I laughed. I actually wanted Pardew at the time. I wanted a manager who hadn't failed with survival recently and he wanted the job with the 30 minute drive home.

I still think he's average but this is where it perhaps matters.

There is 3 and more worse in the division than us every season with sensible squad and financial management.
A below average manager if you like could relegate us.
It's a slippery slope from 12th to relegation.
The Charlton scenario ironically.

Now if SP had someone lined up better than Pardew then if I were him I'd be looking at that route. But that has its future implications. Firstly he could be bigger than us and he'd be off quicker than we'd like (not for the first st time if you know your history), and secondly, it creates that build up in squad of incompatible players. And that can cause relegation or financial losses 2/3 years later.

Ideally we'd do what Southampton do and sack managers when people wonder what the he'll we're doing and the unknown name comes in and takes us further. But we aren't them.

I think I can see what SP is doing here. AP wants to keep this job and eventually has toned down his hubris. Seen on Football Focus and playing down England. Although with personal issues I think it's unlikely. He's average but that's not a bad thing if it keeps you up and away from the bottom of that greasy pole from 12th to 18th. And one of the most important things, especially if it's what SP would prefer in longevity, is someone he can have a long term relationship with.

Pardew wants to be here and work local. It fits with SP. one of the telling things he said on football focus was that there was an emphasis on improvements in quality in our signings rather than cost as at Newcastle which i like to think makes that relationship strong but I don't believe that he piped up with Mike Ashley. He more than likely was acquiescent in that arena. But that's their problem.

I think in this period of teams we think we should get a lot of points from last into a period where we don't expect too many has given me time to reflect. I expected feck all in these 4 games and that is what we'll probably get. But that won't stop me singing. What might do is if we go beyond Liverpool and the next 3 or 4 games this run continues. I don't think it will happen but it might.

In summary I think SP is playing this in the long term and quite frankly couldn't give a fook who it is managing us as long as we're in the prem for however long it takes to make all the 21st century changes CPFC needs. Probably why I don't excited about beating Bournemouth 2nd half, Mboro, Stoke, Sunderland. (If we played Stoke now it would be a different game)

 


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View palace-metros's Profile palace-metros Flag Redhill 23 Oct 16 9.17pm Send a Private Message to palace-metros Add palace-metros as a friend

If only it were that simple eh? Out of interest, how do you think we would fare if all EPL teams concentrated on getting results and playing to their strengths which is apparently your rather simplistic view of footballing success. Or are you suggesting that every other team is playing to their maximum potential except CPFC?

I get a bit frustrated that some of our own supporters do not seem to understand that we do not have strength in depth because we are only a fifth year EPL club. We simply haven't got the clout to pay £50-60k per week for back up players to sit on the bench and frankly the players of quality we would need to cover every position wouldn't want to sit on the bench at Palace - not yet. Demanding instant or near instant success also means that we will only ever buy in first XI players from now on. So forget youth development. If the fan base will not allow time for a change in playing style, experimenting with youth players has got no chance.

 


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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 23 Oct 16 9.19pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Or will we be branded as "fake fans" and "bed wetters".

The smugness from some fans was almost as cringeworthy as the smugness from himself after beating stoke Sunderland and Boro.

In the last 31 (yes, 31) games we've won 5 - that includes the 3 mentioned above.

Someone please make a case given our first 11, which genuinely has quality, that that is good enough.

All this "team in transition" is aload of turd as well. When we win games like we did against stoke it's because of the players we have on the pitch and the fact Pardew likes high intensity and power. Besides that he is clearly tactically inept - I thought that even when we were on a good run.

Expecting to get a fair bit of abuse and contemplated saying anything but in fairness I don't really care - some people really need to wake up.

Edited by Mstrobez (23 Oct 2016 4.48pm)


Ok then lets sack AP. Who do you suggest takes over?

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Oct 16 9.25pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

13 th or 14th is where I think our rightful position is right now and that's where we'll probably be after Liverpool. It's the streaky runs that are dangerous because they can continue if you don't shut up shop or grind out results. Hopefully he's learnt because a sacking doesn't give a fan a warm feeling of I told you so because we're inevitably in a sh1tty situation.

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 23 Oct 16 9.25pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

Where did I say we should get rid of him?

I said the Board might upgrade him if a better candidate came up.

So far one hasn't. I wouldn't say that Allardyce, for example, was good enough to warrant an upheaval.

Oh and can I remind you what Leicester achieved last season with possession about 30%? They did it by ... errm concentrating in getting results and playing to their strengths.

Edited by chateauferret (23 Oct 2016 8.58pm)

And being hugely underrated for the majority of the season, getting extremely lucky with the signings of mahrez and kante, drinkwater and vardy both coming into the form or their career and huth and Morgan grappling more than hulk hogan which they can't do this season.

It was a one off that will happen once every 50 years and if you use Leicester as an example every season then that is unrealistic expectations.

There is no better option out there than pardew not one that would be attracted to a club our size anyway.

Look at the table, you've got Bournemouth and watford all of a point better, then every other club by far bigger than us and who would expect to be above us.

Sorry to break it to people but we will never ever be as big as the Liverpools, arsenal's and utd's of the league the best we can hope for is being a Southampton who have a very slim chance of champions league and a realistic enough chance of Europe and a cup with a good season.
Sticking with pardew and giving him a chance to build his own squad gives us the best chance of achieving this.

 

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View EagleinSF's Profile EagleinSF Flag San Fransisco 23 Oct 16 9.31pm Send a Private Message to EagleinSF Add EagleinSF as a friend

Originally posted by citizensmudge

If you don't like him,if dont like the fact he's in charge of the club,if it grinds you on a personal level that much then fvck off and support someone else its not like there isn't enough choice lad.Those of us that can support when we are losing even if we sometimes question his decisions will make enough noise for you not to worry whether you'll be missed or not.Go and join the Man United fans with their gazillions,their squad and the Special One.Oh wait a minute,they are being humiliated 4-0 by Chelsea!! We weren't humiliated yesterday we could quite easily have won 3-1 instead of losing by the same margin just to put it in context. For the moment we are exactly where we should be as a club in the league so,like I said,if that's not good enough for you then its best you move on to a club that provides you with the glory you require to feel alive!!

This. We're Palace, not a loads money club. I'm happy if we retain Premiership status this season. It'll be a new record for the clib.

 

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View palace-metros's Profile palace-metros Flag Redhill 23 Oct 16 9.33pm Send a Private Message to palace-metros Add palace-metros as a friend

Originally posted by rikz


Sorry to break it to people but we will never ever be as big as the Liverpools, arsenal's and utd's of the league

I hope this is some kind of joke or I'm going back to following a proper sport like NFL.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Oct 16 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

And being hugely underrated for the majority of the season, getting extremely lucky with the signings of mahrez and kante, drinkwater and vardy both coming into the form or their career and huth and Morgan grappling more than hulk hogan which they can't do this season.

It was a one off that will happen once every 50 years and if you use Leicester as an example every season then that is unrealistic expectations.

There is no better option out there than pardew not one that would be attracted to a club our size anyway.

Look at the table, you've got Bournemouth and watford all of a point better, then every other club by far bigger than us and who would expect to be above us.

Sorry to break it to people but we will never ever be as big as the Liverpools, arsenal's and utd's of the league the best we can hope for is being a Southampton who have a very slim chance of champions league and a realistic enough chance of Europe and a cup with a good season.
Sticking with pardew and giving him a chance to build his own squad gives us the best chance of achieving this.

I think you overrate him tbf and tbh. To say there is nobody out there to achieve Southampton's status is writing off all those managers outside of proven prem and English prem managers.

I think measuring against Watford or Bournemouth or anyone over 1 or 2 season is worthless anyway. What counts is over 4,5,6 and more seasons and who is still in the league and selling players for more than you bought them for and not regressing or trousering money. We're doing that. Spurs had to do it at their level as well.

And back to Pardew. To go as far as Pardew is our best chance of mixing it with Southampton and the top 8 is stretching truth and your argument IMO. That is not necessarily so, but I can see he is a conservative and safe choice to stay in and preserve prem status for several reasons. But that is as long as really had runs don't go on for a long time.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Oct 2016 9.42pm)

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 23 Oct 16 9.47pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I think you overrate him tbf and tbh. To say there is nobody out there is writing off all those managers outside of proven prem and English prem managers.

I think measuring against Watford or Bournemouth or anyone in 1 or 2 season is worthless anyway. What counts is over 4,5,6 and more seasons and who is still in the league and selling players for more than you bought them for. We're doing that. Spurs had to do it at their level as well.

And back to Pardew. To go as far as Pardew is our best chance of mixing it with Southampton and the top 8 is stretching truth and your argument IMO. That is not necessarily so, but I can see he is a conservative and safe choice to stay in and preserve prem status for several reasons. But that is as long as really had runs don't go on for a long time.

Anyone else would be a massive risk there's probably 2 managers that could come in and you know what your getting, Allardyce and pulis and both play boring direct football and achieve what pardew would. I'd rather have pardew and watch better football.

Remember our most successful season under coppell, even that was dire to watch. This is without a doubt the best team we've ever had and people still moan.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Oct 16 9.49pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I do see what Pardew is trying longer term with passing from the back but when I see Delaney and a right footed left back and Ledley in front of them which inevitably ends up with either panic or a long punt up to nobody around Benteke or Gayle last season I do wonder why philosophy cannot be overridden by shot term instructions. Old dog and new tricks. You have 3 players in a triangle who won't get to grips with it and with opposition fully aware of it you have a problem

With Cabaye fully back it might be different but it won't be as easy as he had it in his 1st season.

 


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