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  Hrolf The Ganger  30 Oct 16 5.43pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Blair....the minimum wage helped low paid working people but then he totally screwed them by large scale immigration. He would have had us in the Euro as well. I don't blame him for supporting the US in the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars but I do partly blame him for their inept handling. We had to run out of Basra .....No British army should have to run out of anywhere. Nothing new about military ineptitude from Britain I'm afraid. History is littered with examples of shocking incompetence and bad planning, not to mention a willingness to sacrifice soldiers lives, by the top brass.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Oct 16 11.44pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nothing new about military ineptitude from Britain I'm afraid. History is littered with examples of shocking incompetence and bad planning, not to mention a willingness to sacrifice soldiers lives, by the top brass. You are not wrong, my particular area of interest in that topic is the Anglo-Zulu war....which would be comical if it hadn't been so disastrous. Still, for me personally, my world view is a British military that stands up there with the world's best and I feel that we need political institutions that actually support that....rather than warm word it. Our forces have been betrayed and far more butchered by our own than they have by the enemy. Of course, our legion of lefty egalitarian fifth columnists don't help either.....though weirdly I do actually quite like some of them. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2016 11.47pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 16 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You are not wrong, my particular area of interest in that topic is the Anglo-Zulu war....which would be comical if it hadn't been so disastrous. Still, for me personally, my world view is a British military that stands up there with the world's best and I feel that we need political institutions that actually support that....rather than warm word it. Our forces have been betrayed and far more butchered by our own than they have by the enemy. Of course, our legion of lefty egalitarian fifth columnists don't help either.....though weirdly I do actually quite like some of them. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2016 11.47pm) Egalitarian until they don't like your opinions. The BB* political threads are ruined daily by such "egalitarians" They might be well meaning or nice people in real life but most live in a blinkered idealistic fantasy world with a good dose of hypocrisy and a total lack of self awareness.
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| elgrande bedford 31 Oct 16 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Egalitarian until they don't like your opinions. The BB* political threads are ruined daily by such "egalitarians" They might be well meaning or nice people in real life but most live in a blinkered idealistic fantasy world with a good dose of hypocrisy and a total lack of self awareness.
God I couldn't agree more,they are like a pack of wolves on there...hunting en masses to silence anyone that dares to disagree with their views.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 31 Oct 16 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I'm sorry Johnny, but Blair's term in office as PM was an unmitigated disaster for our country that we're still paying for now! The worst thing he did was to waive the 7 year veto on allowing Poles and other East Europeans to move to the UK. Germany and other larger nations didn't.... that's why we have such a large population of Polish people here now which has caused problems with infrastructure and has driven down wages. Both of these problems have hit the poor/working class - that's why they voted for Brexit. The schools/hospitals that he sanctioned to be built were funded by PFI. See the attached link. He was responsible for the commissioning of the Millennium Dome - what an expensive white elephant that was! The fact is, that by the end of the 13 years Blair and Brown ran this country, it was ran into the ground... despite them taking over a healthy economy and having favourable economic conditions early on in their tenure. But instead of saving something for a rainy day, they sold our gold reserves cheaply and saddled us with debt. I won't even bother to go into the details about his lies "sexing up" the weapons of mass destruction that led to us going to war with Iraq and the problems that has now caused us. The bloke is/was an arsehole continually lying and looking out for himself and his family - he couldn't give 2 fcuks about the welfare of this country and it's people. I mostly blame the people of Sedgefield that voted him in as an MP in the first place!
Apart from the immigration thing, I am in full agreement with everything you say about Blair. He needs to become collateral damage in a drone strike somewhere.
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 31 Oct 16 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Sadly he's not alone Hrolf. Tim Farron (had to look his name up he's that popular) the leader of the LibDems is angling for this too putting them on a "war footing" for a General Election and make gains in MP seats. All sorts of chancers and opportunists have surfaced or will surface to make capital of this situation for their own ends. I must admit I agree with you though and Blair's endorsement of the need for a 2nd referendum should clarify the fact that it is NOT required in the minds of at least 90% of the UK population.
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| matt_himself Matataland 31 Oct 16 1.39pm |
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One thing I will say for Blair is that he won elections as Labour leader, which is light years away from the position Labour find themselves under the current custodian of the 'People's Party [sic]'.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 31 Oct 16 2.25pm |
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Yes he won the election after the Iraqi war and the Hutton Report on it you would think that difficult. He never lost an election being ousted from within the party - so much for the people's wishes.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Oct 16 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Blair....the minimum wage helped low paid working people but then he totally screwed them by large scale immigration. Briefly, by introducing it. However, by not tying minimum wage to inflation, he effectively created a means to squeeze small businesses, whilst favouring the growth of chain multi-nationals, and providing them long term with a national price control on wages. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't blame him for supporting the US in the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars but I do partly blame him for their inept handling. First one, definitely, we had an obligation as part of NATO, after 9/11, to assist the US, in the pursuit of justice for 3000 or so US citizens who were murdered. Problem of Afghanistan, is that it slipped from being a war, into something akin to part regime change, part occupation, part insurgency and part aid programme... Iraq, I think we really shouldn't have gotten involved, and that had we not the US would have struggled to go it alone - and even when we did, go, we had no idea what we were doing long term, or contingency planned for the future or likely outcomes. I think Blair thought we'd be welcomed with open arms, songs and dances, and that the whole country more or less, would follow our lead.
>> I think realistically, when withdrawing from somewhere, hostile, its a good idea to do so at speed, and in numbers.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Oct 16 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
It depends on how you do it. Just because a referendum has been taken, it doesn't eliminate the possibility of democratically revisiting that outcome. If there was another referendum, and the vote was pro-remain (or rejoin at a point in the future) than that's fine. Its important to remember that the difference between yes and no, was very tight. Democracy has to also allow for people to change their minds. What is important, is the choice to do so must be based in the will of the people. Having another referendum is something I'm not keen on, but its just as democratic as having the previous one.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 31 Oct 16 5.41pm |
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I think people change their minds all the time about what 'SHOULD' happen due to perceived events. At a general election you cast your vote for what you want, you are not expressing an opinion it is not advisory. If there is a complete cock-up of Brexit we need a way out of the mess so another referendum is better than nothing so TB on the ball. IMO a legally binding one upon the government with a vote of 66% for either camp being enough not split down the middle. Dodgy Dave one dodge too far IMO. Perhaps the vote shows that a little?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 16 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think people change their minds all the time about what 'SHOULD' happen due to perceived events. At a general election you cast your vote for what you want, you are not expressing an opinion it is not advisory. If there is a complete cock-up of Brexit we need a way out of the mess so another referendum is better than nothing so TB on the ball. IMO a legally binding one upon the government with a vote of 66% for either camp being enough not split down the middle. Dodgy Dave one dodge too far IMO. Perhaps the vote shows that a little? There is no mess. Along with some other remoaners, you are desperate for there to be one.
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