Why The Deterioration In Pardew's Performance?

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Inapickle South West 30 Oct 16 12.22am
Originally posted by Mad4palace The fitness and concentration levels have gotten steadily worse under Pardew. Also we didn't address the lack of strength in depth within the squad. ..is this really Mr Pardews job? this to me is our main problem.
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Inapickle

South West 30 Oct 16 12.22am

Originally posted by Mad4palace

The fitness and concentration levels have gotten steadily worse under Pardew. Also we didn't address the lack of strength in depth within the squad.

..is this really Mr Pardews job? this to me is our main problem.

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paperhat croydon 30 Oct 16 1.13am
his plan B is invisible/unknown. Sadly, it seems his plan A is just as unknown. Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan
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croydon 30 Oct 16 1.13am

his plan B is invisible/unknown.

Sadly, it seems his plan A is just as unknown.

Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan

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thai-eagle chiang mai 30 Oct 16 3.43am
But why are we so slow out of the blocks at Selhurst Park? First half like a bunch of sleeping zombies...
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chiang mai 30 Oct 16 3.43am

But why are we so slow out of the blocks at Selhurst Park? First half like a bunch of sleeping zombies...

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Midlands Eagle 30 Oct 16 6.41am
Originally posted by sickboy Do you honestly think he would have been in football management as long as he has if he was as clueless as you lot make out. Steve McClaren has managed it
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30 Oct 16 6.41am

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Originally posted by sickboy

Do you honestly think he would have been in football management as long as he has if he was as clueless as you lot make out.

Steve McClaren has managed it

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The Dolphin 30 Oct 16 7.45am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Steve McClaren has managed it Now that is funny! How right you are.
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The Dolphin

30 Oct 16 7.45am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Steve McClaren has managed it

Now that is funny!
How right you are.

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The Dolphin 30 Oct 16 7.50am
Originally posted by sickboy Do you honestly think he would have been in football management as long as he has if he was as clueless as you lot make out. This is not meant to be an assassination of AP. I don't particularly want him as our Manager but I so want him to succeed - I really do. But to me he can't see the wood from the trees. It is alright having some good players - and we really do have some excellent players - but they need guidance - if they didn't we wouldn't need a Manager! They need a plan and I don't see a game plan anymore. I know he isn't on the pitch and can't stop mistakes happening but I really feel that they are headless chickens at times and that is not to do with their talent - which is immense.
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The Dolphin

30 Oct 16 7.50am

Originally posted by sickboy

Do you honestly think he would have been in football management as long as he has if he was as clueless as you lot make out.

This is not meant to be an assassination of AP.
I don't particularly want him as our Manager but I so want him to succeed - I really do.
But to me he can't see the wood from the trees.
It is alright having some good players - and we really do have some excellent players - but they need guidance - if they didn't we wouldn't need a Manager!
They need a plan and I don't see a game plan anymore.
I know he isn't on the pitch and can't stop mistakes happening but I really feel that they are headless chickens at times and that is not to do with their talent - which is immense.

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The Dolphin 30 Oct 16 8.11am
I have just listened to AP's BBC interview after the game yesterday. He said we didn't have enough play down the left side - the interviewer asked why he left Townsend on the bench then? "Well - Andros wants to play on the right but I have got Wilf playing well there so I am going to have to look at that"! No S*** Sherlock! I know Yala wanted to go - because he kept being played out of position amongst other things - but why buy another right sided winger when you already have a good one and sell your best left sided winger who you kept playing out of position. I suspect there is more to it behind the scenes but really........
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The Dolphin

30 Oct 16 8.11am

I have just listened to AP's BBC interview after the game yesterday.
He said we didn't have enough play down the left side - the interviewer asked why he left Townsend on the bench then?
"Well - Andros wants to play on the right but I have got Wilf playing well there so I am going to have to look at that"!
No S*** Sherlock!
I know Yala wanted to go - because he kept being played out of position amongst other things - but why buy another right sided winger when you already have a good one and sell your best left sided winger who you kept playing out of position.
I suspect there is more to it behind the scenes but really........

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Andy_G Wimbledon 30 Oct 16 8.40am
It's hard to see exactly where Pardew is going with this 'change of style'. We are now easier to play against, lower fitness level and can't keep a clean sheet but our possession stats havent gone up, we don't press teams and never generally look like scoring. It's a struggle to see the positives. Liverpool is not the game to judge as they are brilliant up front but not beating WBA, Bournemouth and alike at home is not good enough. We are a bottom 8 possibly 6 team and after 3 years in the prem and paying 30 m for a striker are we better? Burnley is huge. The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years
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Wimbledon 30 Oct 16 8.40am

It's hard to see exactly where Pardew is going with this 'change of style'. We are now easier to play against, lower fitness level and can't keep a clean sheet but our possession stats havent gone up, we don't press teams and never generally look like scoring. It's a struggle to see the positives. Liverpool is not the game to judge as they are brilliant up front but not beating WBA, Bournemouth and alike at home is not good enough. We are a bottom 8 possibly 6 team and after 3 years in the prem and paying 30 m for a striker are we better?

Burnley is huge.

The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years

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Dangermouse Hastings 30 Oct 16 9.02am
I really don't want another manager as a new one means new players, because new managers really don't seem to want to work with the players they've got anymore. The clubs have the money to buy nowadays, so they oblige and you end up like Villa and Sunderland with a club full of very highly paid players sitting around refusing to leave slowly destroying the heart of your club from within like a cancer. We already have a couple or so at the club now, don't we? Problem is although I don't want change we are so damn close to being a very good/competitive side and AP seems unable to just push us that extra yard. The FA Cup final was our problem encapsulated in one game. Biggest problem to me is concentration so far this season. Fitness always is questioned when things go wrong, but that is also a mental thing a lot of the time, as when you overthink, it slows you down and makes you hesitant. Concentration on deadballs and slow reactions are killing us, the question is can the manager improve a players concentration or is it that as your quality improves you need better quality players and about four of ours need upgrading now? Ledley, Campbell and Kelly really need upgrading and our bench needs improving. If he doesn't trust Fryers he shouldn't still be here. If I was gonna leave out Townsend, I would of put Punch there and played Chungy as the 10 as unlike Punch and Cabaye, Chungy doesn't want to keep dropping deep and be a Quarterback. Maca, did a good job, but it's not natural to him and he's better playing a little deeper IMO. Sentimental, I know, but I'd love to see Jonny given a run in the team at 10. That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Hastings 30 Oct 16 9.02am

I really don't want another manager as a new one means new players, because new managers really don't seem to want to work with the players they've got anymore. The clubs have the money to buy nowadays, so they oblige and you end up like Villa and Sunderland with a club full of very highly paid players sitting around refusing to leave slowly destroying the heart of your club from within like a cancer. We already have a couple or so at the club now, don't we?
Problem is although I don't want change we are so damn close to being a very good/competitive side and AP seems unable to just push us that extra yard. The FA Cup final was our problem encapsulated in one game.
Biggest problem to me is concentration so far this season. Fitness always is questioned when things go wrong, but that is also a mental thing a lot of the time, as when you overthink, it slows you down and makes you hesitant. Concentration on deadballs and slow reactions are killing us, the question is can the manager improve a players concentration or is it that as your quality improves you need better quality players and about four of ours need upgrading now?
Ledley, Campbell and Kelly really need upgrading and our bench needs improving. If he doesn't trust Fryers he shouldn't still be here. If I was gonna leave out Townsend, I would of put Punch there and played Chungy as the 10 as unlike Punch and Cabaye, Chungy doesn't want to keep dropping deep and be a Quarterback. Maca, did a good job, but it's not natural to him and he's better playing a little deeper IMO. Sentimental, I know, but I'd love to see Jonny given a run in the team at 10.

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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Dangermouse Hastings 30 Oct 16 9.03am
Originally posted by Andy_G It's hard to see exactly where Pardew is going with this 'change of style'. We are now easier to play against, lower fitness level and can't keep a clean sheet but our possession stats havent gone up, we don't press teams and never generally look like scoring. It's a struggle to see the positives. Liverpool is not the game to judge as they are brilliant up front but not beating WBA, Bournemouth and alike at home is not good enough. We are a bottom 8 possibly 6 team and after 3 years in the prem and paying 30 m for a striker are we better? Burnley is huge. Yes, it is as it's Citeh after and then the s*** really hits the fan. That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Dangermouse

Hastings 30 Oct 16 9.03am

Originally posted by Andy_G

Burnley is huge.

Yes, it is as it's Citeh after and then the s*** really hits the fan.

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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The Dolphin 30 Oct 16 9.11am
Originally posted by Dangermouse I really don't want another manager as a new one means new players, because new managers really don't seem to want to work with the players they've got anymore. The clubs have the money to buy nowadays, so they oblige and you end up like Villa and Sunderland with a club full of very highly paid players sitting around refusing to leave slowly destroying the heart of your club from within like a cancer. We already have a couple or so at the club now, don't we? Problem is although I don't want change we are so damn close to being a very good/competitive side and AP seems unable to just push us that extra yard. The FA Cup final was our problem encapsulated in one game. Biggest problem to me is concentration so far this season. Fitness always is questioned when things go wrong, but that is also a mental thing a lot of the time, as when you overthink, it slows you down and makes you hesitant. Concentration on deadballs and slow reactions are killing us, the question is can the manager improve a players concentration or is it that as your quality improves you need better quality players and about four of ours need upgrading now? Ledley, Campbell and Kelly really need upgrading and our bench needs improving. If he doesn't trust Fryers he shouldn't still be here. If I was gonna leave out Townsend, I would of put Punch there and played Chungy as the 10 as unlike Punch and Cabaye, Chungy doesn't want to keep dropping deep and be a Quarterback. Maca, did a good job, but it's not natural to him and he's better playing a little deeper IMO. Sentimental, I know, but I'd love to see Jonny given a run in the team at 10. Good post and food for thought.
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The Dolphin

30 Oct 16 9.11am

Originally posted by Dangermouse

Good post and food for thought.

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Pete53 Hassocks 30 Oct 16 10.23am
I hear he term "transition" used quite a bit in terms of where Palace are going. Transition from what to what though? Although we bought in new players over the summer I can't honestly see much improvement in most areas - our game plan, our passing and ability to maintain possession, and often awful distribution from out of defence. Something is not right. In the end, in terms of our deficiencies on the field of play, it comes down to a) whether our players are good enough b) whether the management/coaching team are good enough to get the best from the resources at hand. Whilst we do need strengthening in one or two positions, I really do wonder whether Pardew and, perhaps the rest of the coaching team, have the tactical acumen and ability to organise a side so that they really get the best out of the players they have.
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Hassocks 30 Oct 16 10.23am

I hear he term "transition" used quite a bit in terms of where Palace are going. Transition from what to what though?

Although we bought in new players over the summer I can't honestly see much improvement in most areas - our game plan, our passing and ability to maintain possession, and often awful distribution from out of defence.

Something is not right. In the end, in terms of our deficiencies on the field of play, it comes down to a) whether our players are good enough b) whether the management/coaching team are good enough to get the best from the resources at hand.

Whilst we do need strengthening in one or two positions, I really do wonder whether Pardew and, perhaps the rest of the coaching team, have the tactical acumen and ability to organise a side so that they really get the best out of the players they have.

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