True, maybe they should just quash any criminal records related to scraps with the police.

In response to your numbering:

1.You appear not to have read carefully what the ex-police officer said in the piece I referred to

2.Attacking "ther left" in a generic manner about unconnected events is rather transparently unmeritorious,no?Deal wiyth Orgrerave on its own terms.

3. Where large numbers of people appear to have been brutally assaulted by police in our green and pleasant land and there indications large numbers of police were complicit in perjury and in people being unlawfully detained and charged,I would hope people might think (even 30 years on) that deserved thorough inquiry,both to set the record straight and as an example to encourage something similar to never happen again.

If you and Willo,see no merit in my points (presumably because they are not knocking the left or demanding an inquiry into the left's actions),so be it but I am less than impressed.If the following isn't a scandal,nothing is.

"Officers had arrested and charged 95 miners with riot, an offence of collective violence carrying a potential life sentence. Yet in July 1985 the prosecution withdrew and all the miners were were acquitted after the evidence of some police officers, including those in command, had been discredited under cross-examination.

In 1991 South Yorkshire police paid £425,000 compensation to 39 miners who had sued the force for assault, unlawful arrest and malicious prosecution. But still the police did not admit any fault, and not a single police officer was ever disciplined or prosecuted".

,,,in its report, finally published last month, the IPCC found “support for the allegation” that three senior police officers in command at Orgreave had “made up an untrue account exaggerating the degree of violence (in particular missile throwing)” from miners to justify their use of force and the charges of riot. The report said one of these most senior officers had his statement typed and witnessed by another officer who led a team of detectives which, the IPCC said, dictated those identical opening paragraphs of junior officers’ statements.The report says the BBC had indeed reversed footage in its news broadcast that night (to make it look like the miners started the violence) , an accusation the BBC has never officially accepted.

Explosively, the IPCC revealed for the first time that South Yorkshire police, when contemplating the civil claims, recognised there had been some excessive violence by officers and perjury in the trial that followed, but covered it up. The force settled the claims, the IPCC stated, “very much prompted” by senior officers’ knowledge of this misconduct."

Off to work now...

Edited by legaleagle (01 Nov 2016 9.36am)

It was Andy Burnham who got us to the truth about Hillsborough after 30 years of establishment cover-ups.

It is not a leftie or right wing thing at all - govt. advisers wanted this enquiry too.

So why did Ms.Rudd drop this in such a pathetic manner - can't even lie properly.

That makes me want to know all about Orgreave not what I thought I knew.

I think we've already established that the two events bear no relation to each other.

Dear lord. One was about crowd control at a football match, the other was dealing with serious civil disturbance. Two completely different types of event. The police were under attack in the latter and weren't in the former. The police conduct after the events isn't relevant to the point I was making.

And I've read reports that say the opposite.