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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 16 9.45pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I have seen the Rolling Stones at Hyde Park...don't mean I have experience of what happened at Altamont. You must love me again now we are talking! Why are you comparing meetings with guest speakers talking about the Miners Strike with Altamont.? Edited by nickgusset (01 Nov 2016 10.02pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 16 10.05pm |
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Yes its the socialist worker (spit) but this ain't going to be reported in the MSM Norman Strike was a striking miner at Orgreave. He told Socialist Worker, “They don’t want an inquiry because it opens up a can of worms. “It would have to look at why the police were sent to Orgreave in the way that they were—and who sent them.” Former Derbyshire miner John Dunn agreed. “An inquiry would expose how the strike was micromanaged by Margaret Thatcher,” he told Socialist Worker. “It would show how the police turned into a military body. And the scale of attacks on trade unionism.” The Independent Police Complaints Commission has evidence of officers committing assault and perjury. Yet it refused to investigate allegations of assault, perjury, perverting the course of justice, manipulating evidence and misconduct in a public office. Justice Former miners and supporters gathered for a press conference in Barnsley on Tuesday. Former miner Paul Darlow told Socialist Worker, “Orgreave was a police riot. I want to know who in government was responsible for authorising police behaviour. We still want justice.” Norman said there should be an inquiry into policing of the strike in general. “We had 365 days of police violence, injustice, people getting banged up for no reason,” he said. “Villages were surrounded by police. People were assaulted by police. It was happening every day.”
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 16 10.23pm |
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Last one for tonight, but some interesting documents uncovered here [Link] The key to the matter goes back even before Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister, to a policy paper on nationalised industries that was prepared by Nicholas Ridley for the Tories in 1977, two years before Thatcher’s election victory. In this paper, which talks frankly of strategies, tactics and deliberate fragmentation to achieve the Tories’ goal of putting the UK’s industries into private hands, the Tories’ arrogance and contempt for working people is as plain as day. Ridley refers to miners as a ‘mob’. The bandits-in-waiting also talk openly (to each other, this paper was restricted at the time) of starving strikers and breaking unions by cutting off strikers from funding and forcing unions to deplete their funds to support them. And, most pertinently, 2 years before they were in power (can you say ‘entitled’?), the Tories were planning to use the nation’s police force as a weapon against any who dared to resist their determination to put the nation’s treasure into private pockets. On the penultimate and final pages of the report, Ridley talks of creating ‘mobile police squads’ in readiness for what he had already termed a ‘battle’ to force through their plans – and for preparing teams of non-union drivers in advance who could breach picket lines under police protection:
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 matt_himself Matataland 02 Nov 16 6.23am |
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Diane Abbott has been an MP since 1987. Andy Burnham has been an MP since 2001. Why didn't they request an Orgreave inquiry under the Blair/Brown governments?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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Kermit8  Hevon 02 Nov 16 7.22am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Diane Abbott has been an MP since 1987. Andy Burnham has been an MP since 2001. Why didn't they request an Orgreave inquiry under the Blair/Brown governments? Because the censored documents related to dodgy police activity in the eighties, which have determined for some that there should an enquiry, were not released until the Hillsborough inquiry recently.
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| matt_himself Matataland 02 Nov 16 7.36am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Because the censored documents related to dodgy police activity in the eighties, which have determined for some that there should an enquiry, were not released until the Hillsborough inquiry recently. Don't buy that. You would have bought Labour would have been calling for an inquiry following the collapse of the trials in 1985. It is politics for politics sake. Edited by matt_himself (02 Nov 2016 7.37am)
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| Hoof Hearted 02 Nov 16 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Unless you are of a certain age it's very difficult to understand truly how extremely violent, thuggish and, ironically, lawless many of the police were back in the eighties. Even before clashes they would up the ante by thumping their batons zulu-drum like style on their shields. The sobriquet of 'Maggies Boot Boys' was well founded. A Met PC i met in The Forum in 1985 told me "we had a competition to see who could break the most noses" during the miners strike. They took off their identity lapels before enjoying the day. Other forces hated The Met after they were deployed up north. Lots of theft by the London lot, apparently. Add to that the many deaths in custody late 70's to the mid eighties then it is fair to say that the police were operating like a paramilitary force in some cases and with Maggie's blessing. One of the first things she did when she came to power was give them significant pay rises. Plenty carried around their Tory member cards alongside their badges. They knew they could get away with anything. What they didn't project was perhaps being brought to task decades later for their crimes. Whenever I post stories like this in a debate someone from the left says it's irrelevant because it is "anecdotal". Double standards again I see!
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| Hoof Hearted 02 Nov 16 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It was Andy Burnham who got us to the truth about Hillsborough after 30 years of establishment cover-ups. It is not a leftie or right wing thing at all - govt. advisers wanted this enquiry too. So why did Ms.Rudd drop this in such a pathetic manner - can't even lie properly. That makes me want to know all about Orgreave not what I thought I knew. We still haven't got to the real truth about Hillsborough though. Now we're in denial that some of the Liverpool fans (not the victims I might add) were drunk, ticketless and partially to blame for the disorder. The latest Inquiry exonerated ALL Liverpool fans from blame, which is quite frankly ridiculous and totally unbelievable. All that an Orgreave Inquiry will do is waste more taxpayers money lining the pockets of Judges and QC's.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 02 Nov 16 1.25pm |
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We are not in denial about any of those things the inquiry got to the truth the Liverpool fans were totally blameless. We instantly thought no more football hooligans we can't stand them what have they done now 96 dead - but we were wrong. An Orgreave inquiry has been wanted by the police themselves for 2 years - its been dropped by Ms Rudd because it is a hot potato something has been found very wrong with the govt. of the time and they can't stand it. Afraid of the truth H but why? Tell me why you cannot face the truth. There is so much more here than a punch-up between the police and the miners.
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| paperhat croydon 02 Nov 16 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We are not in denial about any of those things the inquiry got to the truth the Liverpool fans were totally blameless. We instantly thought no more football hooligans we can't stand them what have they done now 96 dead - but we were wrong. An Orgreave inquiry has been wanted by the police themselves for 2 years - its been dropped by Ms Rudd because it is a hot potato something has been found very wrong with the govt. of the time and they can't stand it. Afraid of the truth H but why? Tell me why you cannot face the truth. There is so much more here than a punch-up between the police and the miners.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Nov 16 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by paperhat
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| paperhat croydon 02 Nov 16 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
and were such an enquiry held, what would be the outcome?, some 30 years later on
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