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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Nov 16 10.19am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Nobody is in denial about population growth but for those countries where it is having/going to have the biggest negative impact what on earth do you expect them to do about it? Actually I think everyone is actually in denial about it, or effectively planning to 'mitigate the impact on their own well being'. The developing nations are in a situation where economically a population boom feeds their economic strength and development, and serves as the industrial and agricultural provision for the wealthy 1st world - who cannot, or choose not to sustain themselves due to the capacity to generate profit. We've become increasingly irresponsible in our management of resources and desire for economic growth and profit, that we've effectively created snake that feeds on itself - Notably by failing to share reasonably in that profit and growth. The biggest problem of birth rates has always been poverty. Keeping the rest of the world poor, for our exploitation, has stimulated massive over population of the human race. And sooner or later, that bubble with burst either by excessive resource consumption, declined fuel stocks that drive industrialism, resource wars or epidemic. Even if we avoid the catastrophic, the likely production of pollution will cause increased problems - and millions of people will face regular starvation and death from dehydration. We're in need of drastic measures - Because sooner of later the end result is going to be a horrible comedown for the species. I doubt it'll end humanity, but it'll certainly be an apocalyptic horror show for most of us. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Nov 16 10.19am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Nobody is in denial about population growth but for those countries where it is having/going to have the biggest negative impact what on earth do you expect them to do about it?

Actually I think everyone is actually in denial about it, or effectively planning to 'mitigate the impact on their own well being'.

The developing nations are in a situation where economically a population boom feeds their economic strength and development, and serves as the industrial and agricultural provision for the wealthy 1st world - who cannot, or choose not to sustain themselves due to the capacity to generate profit.

We've become increasingly irresponsible in our management of resources and desire for economic growth and profit, that we've effectively created snake that feeds on itself - Notably by failing to share reasonably in that profit and growth.

The biggest problem of birth rates has always been poverty. Keeping the rest of the world poor, for our exploitation, has stimulated massive over population of the human race.

And sooner or later, that bubble with burst either by excessive resource consumption, declined fuel stocks that drive industrialism, resource wars or epidemic. Even if we avoid the catastrophic, the likely production of pollution will cause increased problems - and millions of people will face regular starvation and death from dehydration.

We're in need of drastic measures - Because sooner of later the end result is going to be a horrible comedown for the species. I doubt it'll end humanity, but it'll certainly be an apocalyptic horror show for most of us.

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Hoof Hearted 21 Nov 16 11.41am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well it could, if it was to raise taxation and resources, from those benefitting, to compensate those who are impacted - But it won't because governments typically live in corporate pockets. It why blaming the symptom is so popular, rather than the root causes Its lovely to see corporations waving their 'British Credentials' whilst exploiting the poorer EU members and second / third world nations 'best and brightest', to maximise profits in the UK. But the right wing have always blamed the poor, the voiceless and the unrepresented, rather than tackle the problems in capitalism that keep them nice and comfortable, at our expense. What part of ignore business, economics etc did you not understand jamie? My concerns are geographical.
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Hoof Hearted 21 Nov 16 11.41am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well it could, if it was to raise taxation and resources, from those benefitting, to compensate those who are impacted - But it won't because governments typically live in corporate pockets. It why blaming the symptom is so popular, rather than the root causes

Its lovely to see corporations waving their 'British Credentials' whilst exploiting the poorer EU members and second / third world nations 'best and brightest', to maximise profits in the UK.

But the right wing have always blamed the poor, the voiceless and the unrepresented, rather than tackle the problems in capitalism that keep them nice and comfortable, at our expense.

What part of ignore business, economics etc did you not understand jamie?

My concerns are geographical.

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Nov 16 11.59am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Actually I think everyone is actually in denial about it, or effectively planning to 'mitigate the impact on their own well being'. The developing nations are in a situation where economically a population boom feeds their economic strength and development, and serves as the industrial and agricultural provision for the wealthy 1st world - who cannot, or choose not to sustain themselves due to the capacity to generate profit. We've become increasingly irresponsible in our management of resources and desire for economic growth and profit, that we've effectively created snake that feeds on itself - Notably by failing to share reasonably in that profit and growth. The biggest problem of birth rates has always been poverty. Keeping the rest of the world poor, for our exploitation, has stimulated massive over population of the human race. And sooner or later, that bubble with burst either by excessive resource consumption, declined fuel stocks that drive industrialism, resource wars or epidemic. Even if we avoid the catastrophic, the likely production of pollution will cause increased problems - and millions of people will face regular starvation and death from dehydration. We're in need of drastic measures - Because sooner of later the end result is going to be a horrible comedown for the species. I doubt it'll end humanity, but it'll certainly be an apocalyptic horror show for most of us. Precisely. The only positive is that we will be dead.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Actually I think everyone is actually in denial about it, or effectively planning to 'mitigate the impact on their own well being'.

The biggest problem of birth rates has always been poverty. Keeping the rest of the world poor, for our exploitation, has stimulated massive over population of the human race.

Precisely. The only positive is that we will be dead.

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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Nov 16 12.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Precisely. The only positive is that we will be dead. Thank you and JM for such uplifting posts.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Precisely. The only positive is that we will be dead.

Thank you and JM for such uplifting posts.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Nov 16 12.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Thank you and JM for such uplifting posts. Well the alternative is quite simple, incentivise populations around the world, including the UK, not to have children, or to only have one child. Or to take drastic action to ensure that child birth rates drop very dramatically over the next generation or two. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Nov 16 12.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Thank you and JM for such uplifting posts.

Well the alternative is quite simple, incentivise populations around the world, including the UK, not to have children, or to only have one child.

Or to take drastic action to ensure that child birth rates drop very dramatically over the next generation or two.

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Nov 16 3.07pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well the alternative is quite simple, incentivise populations around the world, including the UK, not to have children, or to only have one child. Or to take drastic action to ensure that child birth rates drop very dramatically over the next generation or two. It's not Europe or the US that have the problem. It is Asia, Africa and Indonesia. Sadly, their problem will become ours if we don't wake up. We have controlled out birth rate since the 60's which has worked against us in many ways. The world is catching up but it won't come soon enough to avoid a resource disaster in the next couple of centuries.
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21 Nov 16 3.07pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well the alternative is quite simple, incentivise populations around the world, including the UK, not to have children, or to only have one child.

Or to take drastic action to ensure that child birth rates drop very dramatically over the next generation or two.

It's not Europe or the US that have the problem. It is Asia, Africa and Indonesia. Sadly, their problem will become ours if we don't wake up.
We have controlled out birth rate since the 60's which has worked against us in many ways. The world is catching up but it won't come soon enough to avoid a resource disaster in the next couple of centuries.

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simonmdt x 21 Nov 16 3.55pm
Originally posted by Barely Eagle Sure, off the top of my head... - the cultural output of the UK is recognised world wide, everything from music to cuisine. Our culture is a mirror of the societal make-up of this county. Our cultural and creative industries are worth billions to the uk each year. - our sporting successes are often attributable to people lie Mo Farah and Jessica Ennis - people who would not be here if we were 100% WASP (like we might have been about 400 years ago). This directly influences the pride we take in ourselves as a nation. - the NHS would be (even more) on it's knees - crucially, despite problems that i'm not shying away from, we are streets ahead of almost any nation in terms of racial harmony and integration. Can you honestly say you'd be happy to hear monkey chants and banana chucking at Selhurst every other week? This is still a real thing in many other nations. Your mileage may vary. Totally agree. And let's be honest, It has to work, the planets not getting any bigger.
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Originally posted by Barely Eagle

Sure, off the top of my head...

- the cultural output of the UK is recognised world wide, everything from music to cuisine. Our culture is a mirror of the societal make-up of this county. Our cultural and creative industries are worth billions to the uk each year.

- our sporting successes are often attributable to people lie Mo Farah and Jessica Ennis - people who would not be here if we were 100% WASP (like we might have been about 400 years ago). This directly influences the pride we take in ourselves as a nation.

- the NHS would be (even more) on it's knees

- crucially, despite problems that i'm not shying away from, we are streets ahead of almost any nation in terms of racial harmony and integration. Can you honestly say you'd be happy to hear monkey chants and banana chucking at Selhurst every other week? This is still a real thing in many other nations.

Your mileage may vary.

Totally agree. And let's be honest, It has to work, the planets not getting any bigger.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Nov 16 5.03pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It's not Europe or the US that have the problem. It is Asia, Africa and Indonesia. Sadly, their problem will become ours if we don't wake up. We have controlled out birth rate since the 60's which has worked against us in many ways. The world is catching up but it won't come soon enough to avoid a resource disaster in the next couple of centuries. I disagree, in a large part the stimulus for that birth rate is the economic situation of those countries, typically in providing 'cheap resources and consumables' to the first world market (essentially providing cheap, abundant, low skill, low education work force for agriculture and manufacturing). In the most part the industry of the third and second world is about sustaining first world lifestyles. We have the problem, as much as other nations, because we're stimulating such growth, and of course that growth may well increasingly migratory in a global economic market. We need to compromise and to share to a reasonable degree, as well as where necessary ensure that friendly regimes are 'just as friendly to their own population rather than just our interests'. Its the worlds problem, not just some peoples or some nations, this is a failure of the species as a whole to regulate itself within its environment (like we do our cats and dogs). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I disagree, in a large part the stimulus for that birth rate is the economic situation of those countries, typically in providing 'cheap resources and consumables' to the first world market (essentially providing cheap, abundant, low skill, low education work force for agriculture and manufacturing).

In the most part the industry of the third and second world is about sustaining first world lifestyles. We have the problem, as much as other nations, because we're stimulating such growth, and of course that growth may well increasingly migratory in a global economic market.

We need to compromise and to share to a reasonable degree, as well as where necessary ensure that friendly regimes are 'just as friendly to their own population rather than just our interests'.

Its the worlds problem, not just some peoples or some nations, this is a failure of the species as a whole to regulate itself within its environment (like we do our cats and dogs).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Nov 16 5.06pm
Originally posted by simonmdt Totally agree. And let's be honest, It has to work, the planets not getting any bigger. The best option to cull migration, is to reduce the incentive of economic migration, but setting reasonable trade regulation that is in the interests of the people of each nation, not the minority of each nation. Decent wages, security and a reasonable lifestyle are far more effective than border measures ever will be. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Nov 16 5.06pm

Originally posted by simonmdt

Totally agree. And let's be honest, It has to work, the planets not getting any bigger.

The best option to cull migration, is to reduce the incentive of economic migration, but setting reasonable trade regulation that is in the interests of the people of each nation, not the minority of each nation.

Decent wages, security and a reasonable lifestyle are far more effective than border measures ever will be.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Nov 16 8.14pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I disagree, in a large part the stimulus for that birth rate is the economic situation of those countries, typically in providing 'cheap resources and consumables' to the first world market (essentially providing cheap, abundant, low skill, low education work force for agriculture and manufacturing). In the most part the industry of the third and second world is about sustaining first world lifestyles. We have the problem, as much as other nations, because we're stimulating such growth, and of course that growth may well increasingly migratory in a global economic market. We need to compromise and to share to a reasonable degree, as well as where necessary ensure that friendly regimes are 'just as friendly to their own population rather than just our interests'. Its the worlds problem, not just some peoples or some nations, this is a failure of the species as a whole to regulate itself within its environment (like we do our cats and dogs). I was referring to our birth rate not our role in world economics. But your point is a valid one.
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21 Nov 16 8.14pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

We need to compromise and to share to a reasonable degree, as well as where necessary ensure that friendly regimes are 'just as friendly to their own population rather than just our interests'.

Its the worlds problem, not just some peoples or some nations, this is a failure of the species as a whole to regulate itself within its environment (like we do our cats and dogs).

I was referring to our birth rate not our role in world economics. But your point is a valid one.

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Nov 16 8.27pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The best option to cull migration, is to reduce the incentive of economic migration, but setting reasonable trade regulation that is in the interests of the people of each nation, not the minority of each nation. Decent wages, security and a reasonable lifestyle are far more effective than border measures ever will be. I can't see it happening in time if at all. The trouble is that first world nations use far more resources that the third world. To elevate societies might encourage people to stay put but it will make the global resource problem far worse, not to mention pollution. The genie is out of the bottle and baring a global epidemic or WW3, we can't stop it. The world population will grow enormously and it is my belief that the best option is to protect ourselves by closing out borders to all but a trickle.
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21 Nov 16 8.27pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Decent wages, security and a reasonable lifestyle are far more effective than border measures ever will be.

I can't see it happening in time if at all. The trouble is that first world nations use far more resources that the third world. To elevate societies might encourage people to stay put but it will make the global resource problem far worse, not to mention pollution. The genie is out of the bottle and baring a global epidemic or WW3, we can't stop it. The world population will grow enormously and it is my belief that the best option is to protect ourselves by closing out borders to all but a trickle.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 21 Nov 16 8.32pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The best option to cull migration, is to reduce the incentive of economic migration, but setting reasonable trade regulation that is in the interests of the people of each nation, not the minority of each nation. Decent wages, security and a reasonable lifestyle are far more effective than border measures ever will be. Where will the proles get their cheap (in every sense of the word) clobber if shops like Primark and Sports Direct have to source their merchandise from somewhere other than a sweatshop? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 21 Nov 16 8.32pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Decent wages, security and a reasonable lifestyle are far more effective than border measures ever will be.

Where will the proles get their cheap (in every sense of the word) clobber if shops like Primark and Sports Direct have to source their merchandise from somewhere other than a sweatshop?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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