Absolutley Geoff (been dying to say that ) I get that but not everything in a red and blue shirt is brilliant ..remeber Trevor Aylott ? Lol.

I'm old enough to remember when we first Pardew first tipped up as a player, and he was as hit and miss as a player as he is as a manger. I know newcastle have been through the s***, but they now have Rafa, what I wouldnt give to have someone like that at Palace, but I am sure somne of the experts on here will argue that AP is better than Rafa Benitez.

And you're right you just can't do logical with these people.

Yes lets all ignore the fact we can't defend and hold on to a draw with seconds of a game left.

Jesus H Christ I honestly think AP could murder your mum on the pitch and you'd say it was her fault !

I litsened to the match on radio london. The comentators said it wasthe most exciting match all season. BUT: we missed 3 or 4 great chances and you cant expect to win matches doing that. More importantly we are leaking goals big time. Personally I think we miss Jedinak badly and havnt really replaced him. Also Souare is a big miss too, Individual players keep on making mistakes, and the overall defensive/attack balance just isnt right. I think we will buy in another LB in January, but we alao need a really dominant DM and a creative play maker in midfield.

Hennessey wouldn't be an improvement either.