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  Hrolf The Ganger  10 Nov 16 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Which would beg the question as to why Donald Trump was declaring the system rigged long before the first vote was cast. Of course its not when you win either... Now its the judge on the Trump Lawsuit that's crooked and biased... Perhaps he was right but still won.
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| Rubin 10 Nov 16 1.17pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What is it with you. The 'left' argue based mostly on feelings. Being consistent doesn't matter.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 10 Nov 16 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot
It's so pathetic isn't it??... Typical left wing self righteous, theatrical nonsense... And to think she gets paid for writing that s*** as well?... Unbelievable. Anyway back to the real world... If I'm honest I couldn't really give to much of a f***... I don't really care to much for America and I'm no fan of Trump but what I will say is this... At least the American people had a choice of who they wanted.... We got given a witch as our 'leader' and had no choice in the matter. So Trump being elected?... The majority have spoken and chose him... It's called democracy... Build a f***ing bridge and get over it... If you don't like it then f*** off and live in North Korea and see how you like that. Hitler and Mussolini were both voted in as prime minister before they took complete control - I don't think Trump is quite in their league, he hasn't got any theories for a start, but he is undoubtedly dangerous. John Stuart Mill got it spot on for me: "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives."
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NickinOX  Sailing country. 10 Nov 16 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
Hitler and Mussolini were both voted in as prime minister before they took complete control - I don't think Trump is quite in their league, he hasn't got any theories for a start, but he is undoubtedly dangerous. John Stuart Mill got it spot on for me: "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." Which of course, is not what he said. But there you go, "only stupid people use quotes they haven't looked up to verify." NickinOX, Holmesdale online, 2016.
By the way, the original is better, and also, perhaps, somewhat prescient. The immense irony in this line of argument is, of course, what it says about the person or party that lost the election. If they couldn't even manage to beat an opponent who they think is supported largely by stupid people what does that tell us? It is worth pointing out that Clinton got less votes than Mitt Romney in 2012, and McCain in 2008, despite an increase in the number of registered voters (an area where Democrats have had more success than Republicans). Simply put, the Democratic party has turned off its core support who simply failed to vote. Between 5-10m Democrats and independents (based upon the last two elections) chose not to vote for her. Trump's vote was down on what Republicans have managed in the last two elections (and certainly when taking into account the population increase). Ultimately, Hillary failed to defeat an unpopular Republican candidate. That speaks volumes.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 10 Nov 16 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
Which of course, is not what he said. But there you go, "only stupid people use quotes they haven't looked up to verify." NickinOX, Holmesdale online, 2016.
By the way, the original is better, and also, perhaps, somewhat prescient. The immense irony in this line of argument is, of course, what it says about the person or party that lost the election. If they couldn't even manage to beat an opponent who they think is supported largely by stupid people what does that tell us? It is worth pointing out that Clinton got less votes than Mitt Romney in 2012, and McCain in 2008, despite an increase in the number of registered voters (an area where Democrats have had more success than Republicans). Simply put, the Democratic party has turned off its core support who simply failed to vote. Between 5-10m Democrats and independents (based upon the last two elections) chose not to vote for her. Trump's vote was down on what Republicans have managed in the last two elections (and certainly when taking into account the population increase). Ultimately, Hillary failed to defeat an unpopular Republican candidate. That speaks volumes. I'm flattered you had to use Hansard to reply - here it is verbatim: "I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative" Why did you bother, really? That's what I hate about these threads, people rarely have an open mind and develop a point it's an I'm the cleverest contest, and when their point of view is undermined they go on the offensive, so boring - the substantive point is about Hitler and Mussolini being democratically elected. Engage with that and we may discuss something worthwhile and interesting. But if you want to play the rapier wit intellectual - fyi it's quotation not quote, quote is only a verb not a noun strictly speaking, but language is fluid and it will no doubt change.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Nov 16 3.17pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Is he three quarters Scottish then? Are you sure? We are only half so if he is then 'yes' you are correct. If he is not then you are a mathematical numpty A penguin would be more at home in the Glens or the Gorbals than you. You have lived your life in the south of England. A pack of Waitrose shortbread is more Scottish than you. Makes me question why you cling to being an 'outsider' so much...
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| Ouzo Dan 10 Nov 16 3.31pm |
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Can start a new thread titled Things more Scottish than kerms...
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| Part Time James 10 Nov 16 3.36pm |
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Is Scottishness determined by ancestory or environmental? If it's the former then I am 1/4 Scottish. If it's the latter then I am 3/4 Scottish as I love a bit of Irn Bru and wearing a skirt. How Scottish are you lot?
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| NickinOX Sailing country. 10 Nov 16 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
I'm flattered you had to use Hansard to reply - here it is verbatim: "I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative" Why did you bother, really? That's what I hate about these threads, people rarely have an open mind and develop a point it's an I'm the cleverest contest, and when their point of view is undermined they go on the offensive, so boring - the substantive point is about Hitler and Mussolini being democratically elected. Engage with that and we may discuss something worthwhile and interesting. But if you want to play the rapier wit intellectual - fyi it's quotation not quote, quote is only a verb not a noun strictly speaking, but language is fluid and it will no doubt change. You put it out there to make a point and I responded. I put a winking smiley to show that it was meant to be tongue in cheek. Clearly, you missed that. At the end of the day, John Stuart Mill didn't say what you claimed. It was very similar, but not exactly the same. As awful as I think Trump will be as president (and I did not vote for him), I doubt he will seize control of the instruments of state and run the country as dictator. Thus the comparison with Hitler and Mussolini, even if only broadly implied is vague and lazy. If that is what you think should pass for discourse, and judging by some of your other posts it is, then it's no wonder you are fed up of the discussion on the boards. After all, it's not exactly open minded is it? I also note, you have not bothered to address what I thought brought about Trump's success: which is a failure of the Democratic party to appeal to its own core support. But then you wouldn't, would you?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 16 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Perhaps he was right but still won. Not very rigged then. The point of a rigged election is that you cannot win it - and you'd expect the rigging candidate to do far better in the essential swing states.
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Kermit8  Hevon 10 Nov 16 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What is it with you. Scotland has its own parliament vested to look after its peoples best interests and is a country. In the US what was essentially a two-horse race the one with most votes lost. Not democratic. In Scotland a simple yes/no for remain' the answer with most votes lost. Not democratic. For Scotland. You are all for democracy. Strongly so going by your posts so you should be vehemently agreeing with me about the democracy point not trying to undermine it. Unless, of course, the real inconsistency is coming from your side of the political fence.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 16 5.06pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
Hitler and Mussolini were both voted in as prime minister before they took complete control - I don't think Trump is quite in their league, he hasn't got any theories for a start, but he is undoubtedly dangerous. John Stuart Mill got it spot on for me: "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." I think if Trump starts to get 'carried away with power' the party will slap him into line. They'll take advantage of having the senate and house, and probably put a republican on the supreme court - but the degree of individual power the president has is limited. The first lesson most leaders learn is that whilst they're 'the head of state' they're hobbled by their own party, and a lot of republicans are not frothing at the mouth wanna be dictators. Plus, its kind of debatable how 'right wing' Trump actually is. Certainly he's got a lot more in common with the more moderate Republicans in terms of policy outside of walls and muslims. Whilst the President is capable of launching a nuclear strike, the likely reality of one just being able to 'do so because the want to' is negligible. More likely their advisors will simply 'restrain them' and issue medical approved removal of command. The military follow orders, but not slavishly and without question - especially from a president with no military experience.
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