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Stuk Top half 16 Nov 16 4.34pm
Originally posted by Jimenez These teams are all European giants, Palace are I'm afraid not. He asked for examples of truly successful clubs. Barcelona and Ajax have done it many times, with success. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 16 Nov 16 4.34pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

These teams are all European giants, Palace are I'm afraid not.

He asked for examples of truly successful clubs.

Barcelona and Ajax have done it many times, with success.

Optimistic as ever

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Nov 16 4.47pm
Originally posted by victor43 You're going to get examples of successful and unsuccessful managers who were ex players, but I agree that a playing career (whether at Palace or not) should have no bearing on whether someone gets the job or not. If they're a good coach/ manager then I don't care about their playing history. My view entirely. Maybe 'Boards' think that a popular ex-player will be given greater slack by supporters and that these supporters will be more tolerant if things are not going so well.Perhaps this is one consideration and might tip the balance if it is a close call between candidates on a shortlist. Edited by Willo (16 Nov 2016 4.48pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Nov 16 4.47pm

Originally posted by victor43

You're going to get examples of successful and unsuccessful managers who were ex players, but I agree that a playing career (whether at Palace or not) should have no bearing on whether someone gets the job or not.

If they're a good coach/ manager then I don't care about their playing history.

My view entirely.

Maybe 'Boards' think that a popular ex-player will be given greater slack by supporters and that these supporters will be more tolerant if things are not going so well.Perhaps this is one consideration and might tip the balance if it is a close call between candidates on a shortlist.

Edited by Willo (16 Nov 2016 4.48pm)

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 16 Nov 16 6.21pm
Originally posted by OknotOK I don't know any Liverpool fans that think Souness or Evans were successes. Vialli and Gullit had appalling records as Chelsea managers given the money they were spending. They all won cups tho didnt they. You show me a Palace fan who wouldnt be happy with that. Also Vialli and Gullit were pre Abramovich and therefore before the stupid money and the first success they had for years. As for the scousers their views were skewed by years of success winning titles and european competition.
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sickboy

Deal or Croydon 16 Nov 16 6.21pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

I don't know any Liverpool fans that think Souness or Evans were successes. Vialli and Gullit had appalling records as Chelsea managers given the money they were spending.

They all won cups tho didnt they. You show me a Palace fan who wouldnt be happy with that. Also Vialli and Gullit were pre Abramovich and therefore before the stupid money and the first success they had for years. As for the scousers their views were skewed by years of success winning titles and european competition.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Nov 16 6.31pm
Originally posted by sickboy They all won cups tho didnt they. You show me a Palace fan who wouldnt be happy with that. Also Vialli and Gullit were pre Abramovich and therefore before the stupid money and the first success they had for years. As for the scousers their views were skewed by years of success winning titles and european competition. Liverpool won the FA Cup under Souness and the League Cup under Evans. In actual fact Evans had over a 50% win-ratio at Liverpool. Chelsea won the FA Cup with Gullit in charge and the FA Cup, League Cup, Cup Winners Cup amongst others when Vialli was manager. Edited by Willo (16 Nov 2016 6.35pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Nov 16 6.31pm

Originally posted by sickboy

They all won cups tho didnt they. You show me a Palace fan who wouldnt be happy with that. Also Vialli and Gullit were pre Abramovich and therefore before the stupid money and the first success they had for years. As for the scousers their views were skewed by years of success winning titles and european competition.

Liverpool won the FA Cup under Souness and the League Cup under Evans.
In actual fact Evans had over a 50% win-ratio at Liverpool.

Chelsea won the FA Cup with Gullit in charge and the FA Cup, League Cup, Cup Winners Cup amongst others when Vialli was manager.

Edited by Willo (16 Nov 2016 6.35pm)

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 16 Nov 16 6.33pm
Originally posted by Willo Liverpool won the FA Cup under Souness and the League Cup under Evans. In actual fact Evans had over a 50% win-ratio at Liverpool. I'd settle for that.
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sickboy

Deal or Croydon 16 Nov 16 6.33pm

Originally posted by Willo

Liverpool won the FA Cup under Souness and the League Cup under Evans.
In actual fact Evans had over a 50% win-ratio at Liverpool.

I'd settle for that.

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 16 Nov 16 11.23pm
I agree a lot of it is nostalgia and sentimentality. The best players often don't make the best managers and ex palace players certainly don't have a great record. Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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kevlee

born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 16 Nov 16 11.23pm

I agree a lot of it is nostalgia and sentimentality.
The best players often don't make the best managers and ex palace players certainly don't have a great record.

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 17 Nov 16 3.25am
Originally posted by Happiness Stan What are the odds of a truly successful club ever being so fixated on having former players in charge? Where has this happened with any great success? yet there's time after time clubs pander to this notion and appoint former players, with poor to awful results. It's a small time attitude and is the opposite of appointing on merit. We need to move away from it ASAP frankly. The club's DNA for a long time has been about producing local talent, finding a bargain and looking after one of your own. It's romantic to think an ex player can come in and take us forward. No shame in that and until we are at a place where ex players that are now managers are currently not good enough, then why not? If we had say Mancini and broke into top 6 and forged us into a european force, then ofcourse wanting Freedman as boss would look odd, but if Freedman took say Celtic to new european heights and won plaudits, then why not. It's all relative and you have to remember a lot of old boys came back to help us out when we were in admin at various times. This was once a quality forum....
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Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 17 Nov 16 3.25am

Originally posted by Happiness Stan

What are the odds of a truly successful club ever being so fixated on having former players in charge? Where has this happened with any great success? yet there's time after time clubs pander to this notion and appoint former players, with poor to awful results.

It's a small time attitude and is the opposite of appointing on merit. We need to move away from it ASAP frankly.

The club's DNA for a long time has been about producing local talent, finding a bargain and looking after one of your own.

It's romantic to think an ex player can come in and take us forward.

No shame in that and until we are at a place where ex players that are now managers are currently not good enough, then why not?

If we had say Mancini and broke into top 6 and forged us into a european force, then ofcourse wanting Freedman as boss would look odd, but if Freedman took say Celtic to new european heights and won plaudits, then why not. It's all relative and you have to remember a lot of old boys came back to help us out when we were in admin at various times.

This was once a quality forum....

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