Interesting that you use the term less safe ratheir than unsafe. They are not necessarily the same.

Also I doubt anyone would disagree that Southern are a shower of s*** and have been caught lying about lots of things this year. Southern and their franchise is a separate issue.

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (04 Dec 2016 9.48pm)

Yes, less safe...... nothing is 100% safe. The question that needs asking... do we make our railways safer, or do we accept it being a bit less safe to make a bit more money?

Or do we keep them a little "less safe" in exchange for being allowed to go about our daily business and for my kids to be allowed to get to see their terminally ill Grandma after they've finished work as they have no other means of getting from their various places of work in Central London to Oxted and home again within the time that they have to do so?

In the early days of motor vehicles a man used to walk in front waving a flag. As far as I know, no one was killed because this was safe. Sometimes we have to trust the great British public to be sensible, and when they're not, someone may suffer. I'd rather the latter than the inability to pursue my life in the name of safety.

Right - first chance I've had to get back on here and see you are still relying on rude insults and stupid use of initials/acronyms to make your point.

I admit I have spent my entire life working in financial services but some of that was in compliance.

Safety and best practice runs true through every industry and I doubt that your industry (assuming you're not a bullsh*tter bigging yourself up) is much different to mine.

The point I was making was that safety on trains has evolved since the 60's but mostly with technology advancement and this should continue. I feel confident enough to debate this particular matter with anyone, just the same as I would expect someone to debate with me over Financial matters. I am well educated, have 56 years experience of using trains and take an interest.

You say the industry is complicated, and I am sure it is, but I'll bet you have no in depth knowledge of the algorithms, wiring diagrams etc of signalling protocol despite your desire to try and make me look foolish.

The truth is, guards onboard trains will not make them safer I think.... for a start where would you place them for optimum safety? The front, the back, the middle? Once the doors are shut how will they be able to see outside up and down the train to ensure no one has something caught and is being dragged along the platform?

If I have to put up with people questioning my expertise in my chosen career then you should be able to do the same without resorting to abuse or put downs.

PS - if you are who you say you are, then I would be interested in your take on the Croydon Tram Disaster and why there were not more safety features built into the design of the cab or track to prevent a rogue (or incapacitated) driver taking a bend way above a safe speed which I believe was 15MPH in this instance?

I realise extra features cost money, but can you put a price on human life?

Love n Light to you too

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Edited by Hoof Hearted (05 Dec 2016 2.28pm)

My dear hoof.

Those silly acronyms are important safety procedures related to protecting failed trains in emergency. Now, you can clearly see why I treat your argument that guards are obsolete when you don't know what they are trained to do, with contempt. I'm sorry it offends old boy... but (on this) subject you don't hold the required knowledge to have a informed point of view.

The worry isn't about train dispatch (so much) it's about out of normal working arrangements, train evacuation (emergency and controlled), emergency and assistance protection of a failed train, derailment and train collision (99% of times driver will be dead or injured) also current isolation.

The guard also dispatches trains from rear cab, this allows them to keep a eye on the platform as the train leaves, should anyone fall/stumble they have the ability to stop the train. If they're inside the train, they can give the driver "one on the bell" which tells him to perform a emergency stop.

Trams aren't my area of expertise, but I would imagine the ability to fit TPWS (Train Protection Warning System) on public roads would prove difficult.

Hoof... there is no polite way of saying this... but you genuinely don't know what you're speaking about. Sincere apologies if this hurts ya ego... but being old doesn't make you a expert.

X

Time to pull up your trousers now, Hoofy old chap, and back away slowly. That was onehelluva spanking

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Dec 2016 5.00pm)