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View npn's Profile npn Flag Crowborough 17 Feb 17 10.22am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

You were right.

So now the drivers have rejected their union, where do we go from here?

Not very far on a train I fear.

quite. seems like back to square one. RMT are out next week anyway (Wednesday I think), ASLEF now don't speak for the staff, so it begs the question "what point would be served by more negotiations?". If the union and the management sit down and negotiate a deal, but the staff don't accept it, it seems a waste of everyone's time. Do the union even know what the staff want?

Seems all trust has gone. Union don't trust company, workers don't trust union, workers don't trust company, company doesn't give a f**k because they get paid anyway. Omnishambles!

 

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View thegreatlardino's Profile thegreatlardino Flag creepy crawley 17 Feb 17 10.24am Send a Private Message to thegreatlardino Add thegreatlardino as a friend

having had the misfortune on relying on TL/Southern this whole thing is one big fiasco, it has turned very political, government are using Govia Thameslink as some sort of test case in removing the guards, once they win then other companies will do it, ScotRail, MerseyRail spring to mind, RMT appear to be trying to tory government bash, where this leaves ASLEF who knows
the one thing i dont get is that the Thameslink trains to Brighton have no guards on them, but the Southern ones needed a guard, doesnt make any sense to me

 


Id still rather cut my nose off to spite my face

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View 7mins's Profile 7mins Flag In the bush 17 Feb 17 10.44am Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

You were right.

So now the drivers have rejected their union, where do we go from here?

Not very far on a train I fear.

The vote was close enough to give Southern hope that a few little changes should swing a vote.

The problem Southern have is, they've been caught lying and this new deal depended on trust. Can't blame drivers for not trusting a company that's lied to them twice this year.

A new deal will have to airtight. Drivers won't vote a yes for a ambiguous deal.

The problem Southern have got... is there is very low morale and no trust. They also need at least 30% of their workforce to do favours so they can run a service. They're chronically understaffed. I expect Southern are gonna have to pay through the nose to get drivers to do O/T now. They're gonna realise this dispute is gonna cost them 's
They've f***ed off the very people they need to keep their franchise.

 

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Originally posted by thegreatlardino

having had the misfortune on relying on TL/Southern this whole thing is one big fiasco, it has turned very political, government are using Govia Thameslink as some sort of test case in removing the guards, once they win then other companies will do it, ScotRail, MerseyRail spring to mind, RMT appear to be trying to tory government bash, where this leaves ASLEF who knows
the one thing i dont get is that the Thameslink trains to Brighton have no guards on them, but the Southern ones needed a guard, doesnt make any sense to me

Thameslink have HD cameras and stop at mainly manned stations. Southern have 15 year old cameras and serve mainly unmanned stations.

 

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