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chris123 hove actually 19 Dec 16 10.29am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Quite, and intervening in the Syrian civil war would have been a disaster waiting to escalate, given its a client state of the Russians. Realistically, as far as the west was concerned, the best outcome, politically, would be for the Assad regime to win the civil war (especially given the nature of the relationship between the insurgency in Iraq and Syrian rebel forces across the border - which would grow into IS). Problem tends to be that people think that there is a good side, and a bad side in a civil war (or war for that matter). There tends rather to be the side you need to win, and the other side who'll kill you if you lose. Edited by jamiemartin721 (19 Dec 2016 10.19am) Exactly, never have worked out who the good guys are in the Syrian confict. So stick in humanitarian aid, but no boots.
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hove actually 19 Dec 16 10.29am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Quite, and intervening in the Syrian civil war would have been a disaster waiting to escalate, given its a client state of the Russians. Realistically, as far as the west was concerned, the best outcome, politically, would be for the Assad regime to win the civil war (especially given the nature of the relationship between the insurgency in Iraq and Syrian rebel forces across the border - which would grow into IS).

Problem tends to be that people think that there is a good side, and a bad side in a civil war (or war for that matter). There tends rather to be the side you need to win, and the other side who'll kill you if you lose.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (19 Dec 2016 10.19am)

Exactly, never have worked out who the good guys are in the Syrian confict. So stick in humanitarian aid, but no boots.

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Kermit8 Hevon 19 Dec 16 10.51am
Originally posted by chris123 Exactly, never have worked out who the good guys are in the Syrian confict. So stick in humanitarian aid, but no boots. The 'good guys' were the ordinary Syrian men, women and children people who bravely took the streets in peaceful demos against a sadistic regime in 2011. The help they needed didn't arrive although the West encouraged them so instead entered IS and Al-Nusra to fog the situation. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Originally posted by chris123

Exactly, never have worked out who the good guys are in the Syrian confict. So stick in humanitarian aid, but no boots.

The 'good guys' were the ordinary Syrian men, women and children people who bravely took the streets in peaceful demos against a sadistic regime in 2011. The help they needed didn't arrive although the West encouraged them so instead entered IS and Al-Nusra to fog the situation.

Big chest and massive boobs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Dec 16 12.09pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 The 'good guys' were the ordinary Syrian men, women and children people who bravely took the streets in peaceful demos against a sadistic regime in 2011. The help they needed didn't arrive although the West encouraged them so instead entered IS and Al-Nusra to fog the situation. Even back in 2011 the Syrian Rebel forces consisted of a number of disperate elements, including Sunni islamists allied to, backed and supported by the Sunni insurgents across the Iraqi border (that would develop into IS from Al-Qaeda in Iraq). It was always a problem that supporting the Rebel factions would also include supporting Shia militias (which form around 20% of the Rebel coalition, and back then Sunni Islamists that were allied with Sunni rebels in Iraq, associated with the factions that would merge to form IS). In and around areas like Damascus and Aleppo, where you had factions that arose out of the rebellion of the Syrian army, it was clearer, but in the more rural areas, the civil war from early on was backed by factions such as Al-Qaeda in Iraq (ISIS and now IS) and the Al-Nasu front (Al-Qaeda). Problematically, the west in order to directly intervene in Aleppo would have been a monumental undertaking, given it would have had a massive problem in supporting its troops logistically (unless Lebanon granted permission to host ground forces, unlikely given the relationship between Lebanon, Hezbollah and Syria). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Kermit8

Even back in 2011 the Syrian Rebel forces consisted of a number of disperate elements, including Sunni islamists allied to, backed and supported by the Sunni insurgents across the Iraqi border (that would develop into IS from Al-Qaeda in Iraq). It was always a problem that supporting the Rebel factions would also include supporting Shia militias (which form around 20% of the Rebel coalition, and back then Sunni Islamists that were allied with Sunni rebels in Iraq, associated with the factions that would merge to form IS).

In and around areas like Damascus and Aleppo, where you had factions that arose out of the rebellion of the Syrian army, it was clearer, but in the more rural areas, the civil war from early on was backed by factions such as Al-Qaeda in Iraq (ISIS and now IS) and the Al-Nasu front (Al-Qaeda).

Problematically, the west in order to directly intervene in Aleppo would have been a monumental undertaking, given it would have had a massive problem in supporting its troops logistically (unless Lebanon granted permission to host ground forces, unlikely given the relationship between Lebanon, Hezbollah and Syria).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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