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View Michaelawt85's Profile Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 23 Dec 16 10.58am Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

To be honest all this fuss is a load of sh1t what the hell is wrong in painting your face black for a fancy dress party. Its no different than a mate of mine who is as black as the ace of spades covering himself in flour and white paint to be Elton John for a do we went to. It was taken in good fun and everyone was happy with it. All this PC cr@p is getting out of hand and it needs to tone down and live and let live....

Well said that man

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Dec 16 11.15am

Originally posted by susmik

To be honest all this fuss is a load of sh1t what the hell is wrong in painting your face black for a fancy dress party. Its no different than a mate of mine who is as black as the ace of spades covering himself in flour and white paint to be Elton John for a do we went to. It was taken in good fun and everyone was happy with it. All this PC cr@p is getting out of hand and it needs to tone down and live and let live....

Other than the dubious history of white people blacking up to mock black people, nothing. Same as there is nothing technically wrong with the word spas, as it comes from the word spasmodic, relating to the uncontrolled gestures of cerebral palsy. However, you cannot simply disconnect from the context that blacking up entails.

I think it does tend to get a pass when you go as Someone specific. Friend of mine went as Mr T to a stag do, and the staff (black) at the After Dark absolutely loved it, and it has a kind of necessity.

But when its 'generic sunglass seller' there are overtones that it probably would be wiser to avoid, given the history of offence and controversy around blacking up.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Dec 16 11.19am

Originally posted by Kermit8

It's much more about being illiberal which is promoted by some from all sides of the political divide and others. Right-wing newspapers, left-wing luvvies, politicians, right-ons, lawyers smelling a pound or two, etc.

Indeed. But I also notice this 'live and let live' right wing idea, is very much, as long as you don't upset us in the process...

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Is it racist - Its racially very insensitive, given the history of blacking up, and then blacking up and going as a beach sunglass seller isn't the cleverest or wisest move, and always likely to be risky.

But it doesn't make him a racist. The important question is whether anyone there was offended. Its a pretty stupid thing to do (and if you're going to black up, at least go fantasy or celebrity).

He's also old enough to understand why blacking up is very racially insensitive and likely to cause offence.

Be careful what you wish for Jamie.

I think that the thought police/fascist liberal agenda has enough power already. The know no limits in their quest for appearing virtuous and the runaway effect fueled by profit making concerns is out of control.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Dec 16 11.46am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Be careful what you wish for Jamie.

I think that the thought police/fascist liberal agenda has enough power already. The know no limits in their quest for appearing virtuous and the runaway effect fueled by profit making concerns is out of control.

Ha possibly, but I think the issue tends to be that lots of white people seem to think its harmless fun, and a number of serious racial civil rights groups find it offensive. I'd imagine the truth lies somewhere in between, and that whilst I wouldn't have a problem with someone blacking up, they've only got themselves to blame if some does take issue.

I'd avoid it, not because of political correctness, but because its not worth spoiling a night out over or falling out with people you have to work with over.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Ha possibly, but I think the issue tends to be that lots of white people seem to think its harmless fun, and a number of serious racial civil rights groups find it offensive. I'd imagine the truth lies somewhere in between, and that whilst I wouldn't have a problem with someone blacking up, they've only got themselves to blame if some does take issue.

I'd avoid it, not because of political correctness, but because its not worth spoiling a night out over or falling out with people you have to work with over.

We are teaching people that being easily offended is the way forward. It is in fact, the way backward.

We all need to start taking ourselves less seriously.
The problem with this stuff is that is almost always politically, media or commerce driven. It is all about self serving agendas and little to do with actual offense.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Dec 16 12.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We are teaching people that being easily offended is the way forward. It is in fact, the way backward.

We all need to start taking ourselves less seriously.
The problem with this stuff is that is almost always politically, media or commerce driven. It is all about self serving agendas and little to do with actual offense.

I'm not sure its 'easily offended' given the history and context of blacking up. Its also not really I think for white people to determine what is and is not offensive to other people - that has to come from those ethnic groups.

Its also just as important that we don't slip back into lazy stereotyping and casual racism of the 60s and 70s.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'm not sure its 'easily offended' given the history and context of blacking up. Its also not really I think for white people to determine what is and is not offensive to other people - that has to come from those ethnic groups.

Its also just as important that we don't slip back into lazy stereotyping and casual racism of the 60s and 70s.

We will never go back to the 60's and 70's. People are now used to seeing lots of non white faces.

This is about how we want to be as human beings. Do we want to all run around acting like school children taking offense where ever possible and finding new ever more feeble reasons to dislike each other or do we all adopt a more mature approach and stop pandering to pettiness.
How offensive is blacking up in the grand scheme of things? Is it actually worse than whiteing up? Answer, no. To continue to constantly reference historical examples of prejudice to justify saying the opposite is counter productive. This is the here and now and we all need to grow up and recognise that this sort of respect for others feelings has to work both ways and that tolerance sometimes means giving people of all colours a little wriggle room for taste and manners. What ever you say and do you will offend someone. This must be recognised sooner rather than late in a world where opinion travels round social media like a pandemic.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its not really mimicry though if its mockery....

He wasn't mocking people for being black. He was mocking people for selling Roy Bon sunglasses and LeCoste polo shirts on Spanish beaches for three euros.

 




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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Ha possibly, but I think the issue tends to be that lots of white people seem to think its harmless fun, and a number of serious racial civil rights groups find it offensive. I'd imagine the truth lies somewhere in between, and that whilst I wouldn't have a problem with someone blacking up, they've only got themselves to blame if some does take issue.

I'd avoid it, not because of political correctness, but because its not worth spoiling a night out over or falling out with people you have to work with over.

On what basis "take issue"? As an unaffected person presuming to know what is offensive to others in a patronising misunderstanding, or because they are a sunglasses seller that has been persecuted based on their ethnicity?

Before anyone thinks I am being racist, I don't buy them because I need special prescription sunglasses what with being as blind as a bat, not because I wouldn't purchase knock off goods from a fella based on his ethnic grouping.

 




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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 23 Dec 16 1.38pm

Is having a suntan racist?

 


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Originally posted by hedgehog50

Is having a suntan racist?

Only if you push a black fella off a deckchair to get a prime spot.

 




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