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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.09pm
Originally posted by lancseagle Terrible referee incompetent & inconsistent everytime I've seen him ref. I've seen better standards of refereeing in local amateur Sunday football games. I wouldn't necessarily say he's incompetent on purpose it isn't done with practice just natural. Total and utter codswallop in my book.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.09pm

Originally posted by lancseagle

Terrible referee incompetent & inconsistent everytime I've seen him ref. I've seen better standards of refereeing in local amateur Sunday football games. I wouldn't necessarily say he's incompetent on purpose it isn't done with practice just natural.

Total and utter codswallop in my book.

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lancseagle burnley 30 Dec 16 4.12pm
Originally posted by Willo Total and utter codswallop in my book. We are all entitled to 1.
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lancseagle

burnley 30 Dec 16 4.12pm

Originally posted by Willo

Total and utter codswallop in my book.

We are all entitled to 1.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.16pm
Originally posted by lancseagle We are all entitled to 1. LOL
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.16pm

Originally posted by lancseagle

We are all entitled to 1.

LOL

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 30 Dec 16 4.21pm
Originally posted by Willo He also went on to say ""People will say that's not the referee's job but referees can help and allow the game to move a little bit quicker than normal. That's my satisfaction: if you get a really good game of football." I can see exactly where he is coming from.You hear people say that they hardly noticed the referee and that is a good referee - this is probably a referee who doesn't blow up for every minor foul and let's the game flow.Game and man management allied to enforcement of the laws. You are so one eyed, lets the game flow? Doesn't blow up for every minor foul, let the game move a little quicker. If any of that is the case why did he stop not one but two clearly advantages in favour of Palace? Don't bother answering, it's rhetorical When Clattenturd refs, everyone knows about it. Nothing inconspicuous about him the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 30 Dec 16 4.21pm

Originally posted by Willo

He also went on to say ""People will say that's not the referee's job but referees can help and allow the game to move a little bit quicker than normal. That's my satisfaction: if you get a really good game of football."

I can see exactly where he is coming from.You hear people say that they hardly noticed the referee and that is a good referee - this is probably a referee who doesn't blow up for every minor foul and let's the game flow.Game and man management allied to enforcement of the laws.

You are so one eyed, lets the game flow? Doesn't blow up for every minor foul, let the game move a little quicker. If any of that is the case why did he stop not one but two clearly advantages in favour of Palace? Don't bother answering, it's rhetorical

When Clattenturd refs, everyone knows about it. Nothing inconspicuous about him

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.25pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch You are so one eyed, lets the game flow? Doesn't blow up for every minor foul, let the game move a little quicker. If any of that is the case why did he stop not one but two clearly advantages in favour of Palace? Don't bother answering, it's rhetorical When Clattenturd refs, everyone knows about it. Nothing inconspicuous about him I have already answered this numerous times. If you saw Clattenburg referee a game the other day you would have been impressed by the brilliant advantages he played.This is certainly not the first time I have seen him do it.In the interests of balance I have also seen other referees this season play terrific advantages. Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2016 4.25pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.25pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

When Clattenturd refs, everyone knows about it. Nothing inconspicuous about him

I have already answered this numerous times.

If you saw Clattenburg referee a game the other day you would have been impressed by the brilliant advantages he played.This is certainly not the first time I have seen him do it.In the interests of balance I have also seen other referees this season play terrific advantages.

Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2016 4.25pm)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 30 Dec 16 4.25pm
Originally posted by Willo Well they were hardly good goal scoring opportunities, denial of a penalty or perfectly good goal ruled out. Hardly a lynching offence ! This where you are wrong. For the first, Wickham it was definitely a goal scoring opportunity, only you and your hero thought otherwise. The second less clear but still a good opportunity the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 30 Dec 16 4.25pm

Originally posted by Willo

Well they were hardly good goal scoring opportunities, denial of a penalty or perfectly good goal ruled out.
Hardly a lynching offence !

This where you are wrong. For the first, Wickham it was definitely a goal scoring opportunity, only you and your hero thought otherwise. The second less clear but still a good opportunity

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 30 Dec 16 4.26pm
Originally posted by Willo I have already answered this numerous times. If you saw Clattenburg referee a game the other day you would have been impressed by the brilliant advantages he played.This is certainly not the first time I have seen him do it.In the interests of balanace I have also seen other referees this season play terrific advantages. And you can't see why this makes the decision not to play it in the final so bad? the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 30 Dec 16 4.26pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have already answered this numerous times.

If you saw Clattenburg referee a game the other day you would have been impressed by the brilliant advantages he played.This is certainly not the first time I have seen him do it.In the interests of balanace I have also seen other referees this season play terrific advantages.

And you can't see why this makes the decision not to play it in the final so bad?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.27pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch This where you are wrong. For the first, Wickham it was definitely a goal scoring opportunity, only you and your hero thought otherwise. The second less clear but still a good opportunity "Good goalscoring opportunity" ? Do me a favour ! If both players had gone on to score goals they should be playing for Barcelona.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.27pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

This where you are wrong. For the first, Wickham it was definitely a goal scoring opportunity, only you and your hero thought otherwise. The second less clear but still a good opportunity

"Good goalscoring opportunity" ? Do me a favour !

If both players had gone on to score goals they should be playing for Barcelona.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.30pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch And you can't see why this makes the decision not to play it in the final so bad? You make it sound like lynching offences. In all the terrific advantages I have seen the ball has broken to team-mates who had good chances of mounting a very promising attack.In both the incidents in the FA Cup Final this wasn't the case. Anyway Clattenburg has been very honest in his assessment so give him some credit for this. Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2016 4.31pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.30pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

And you can't see why this makes the decision not to play it in the final so bad?

You make it sound like lynching offences.

In all the terrific advantages I have seen the ball has broken to team-mates who had good chances of mounting a very promising attack.In both the incidents in the FA Cup Final this wasn't the case.

Anyway Clattenburg has been very honest in his assessment so give him some credit for this.

Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2016 4.31pm)

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peterg Anerley 30 Dec 16 4.32pm
Trying to get Willo admit he was wrong is like arguing with a lawyer. He justified Clattenburg's cup final decisions at the time and now that Clattenburg has admitted he made a mistake, Willo is left high and dry - except that he can't admit it. Refs and umpires (like me) make mistakes. Sometimes they are marginal calls, sometimes they are glaringly wrong, and cannot possibly be justified. In this latter case, we may be tired, we may lose focus, we are distracted, are worrying about a previous decision, we are affected by players' remarks. Even though we may recognise these factors, they can still catch us out. Willo, as I have said before, is not remotely interested in these psychological factors. He is determined to believe that refs always make sound, rational decisions which can be justified on some way, even if they turn out to be mistakes. Willo needs to attend to the realities of officiating and not believe that refs are superhuman beings who might just occasionally get a marginal call wrong. However, persuading Willo that he could be wrong himself is, as I say, akin to arguing with a lawyer who is paid to argue cases they may not believe in but are paid to argue them anyway. The right place at the right time
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peterg

Anerley 30 Dec 16 4.32pm

Trying to get Willo admit he was wrong is like arguing with a lawyer. He justified Clattenburg's cup final decisions at the time and now that Clattenburg has admitted he made a mistake, Willo is left high and dry - except that he can't admit it.
Refs and umpires (like me) make mistakes. Sometimes they are marginal calls, sometimes they are glaringly wrong, and cannot possibly be justified. In this latter case, we may be tired, we may lose focus, we are distracted, are worrying about a previous decision, we are affected by players' remarks. Even though we may recognise these factors, they can still catch us out.
Willo, as I have said before, is not remotely interested in these psychological factors. He is determined to believe that refs always make sound, rational decisions which can be justified on some way, even if they turn out to be mistakes. Willo needs to attend to the realities of officiating and not believe that refs are superhuman beings who might just occasionally get a marginal call wrong.
However, persuading Willo that he could be wrong himself is, as I say, akin to arguing with a lawyer who is paid to argue cases they may not believe in but are paid to argue them anyway.

The right place at the right time

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 30 Dec 16 4.32pm
Originally posted by Willo "Good goalscoring opportunity" ? Do me a favour ! If both players had gone on to score goals they should be playing for Barcelona. Now you are being a WUM, Wickham was through one on one. Now do me a favour Trolley and stop replying to me. You clearly don't support Palace and just want to wind people up. Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (30 Dec 2016 4.34pm) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 30 Dec 16 4.32pm

Originally posted by Willo

"Good goalscoring opportunity" ? Do me a favour !

If both players had gone on to score goals they should be playing for Barcelona.

Now you are being a WUM, Wickham was through one on one. Now do me a favour Trolley and stop replying to me. You clearly don't support Palace and just want to wind people up.

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (30 Dec 2016 4.34pm)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.38pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Now you are being a WUM, Wickham was through one on one. Now do me a favour Trolley and stop replying to me. You clearly don't support Palace and just want to wind people up. Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (30 Dec 2016 4.34pm) I have supported Palace since the 60s, and I might be a number of things but what I am NOT is a "Wind up merchant". As for Wickham being "One on one", the whistle had gone the defender stopped and the goalkeeper also stopped as he had heard the whistle.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 16 4.38pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Now you are being a WUM, Wickham was through one on one. Now do me a favour Trolley and stop replying to me. You clearly don't support Palace and just want to wind people up.

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (30 Dec 2016 4.34pm)

I have supported Palace since the 60s, and I might be a number of things but what I am NOT is a "Wind up merchant".

As for Wickham being "One on one", the whistle had gone the defender stopped and the goalkeeper also stopped as he had heard the whistle.

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