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Originally posted by dreamwaverider

After hearing about interst in Benteke made me realise just hoe pertinent China could be this year. I can see a lot of the Mercia Aru footballers jumping ship.
As foreigners here, who came purely for the money, who wouldn't go.?
Benteke Wil earn £ 10M virtually tax free over there.
Whatever you may think snytaxx I reckon hundreds of players will be on the move this year.

From an English point of view, yes it would make sense to move here. However once you actually arrive, you (the footballer) would soon realise what a mistake you've made. Thats why you get players who move here for a season, take the pay check then leave again (i.e. Anelka).

I also think 'we' the fans often underestimate our players mindsets. Yes you can see lots of example of players 'jumping ship' because they get more money for essentially playing the same position e.g. Sterling moving from first team Liverpool to first team Man City. However while footballers are conscious about the money, after a while when they get so uber rich, money isn't as important as playing, because if you don't play, your value (and thus your wages) decreases e.g. Scott Sinclair.

This is why China will always be great for older players who know their days in their cushy top flight team are numbered. For other players who just follow the money, let me give you a cautionary tale of Demba Ba.

When he signed for Shanghai Shenhua, despite being injured, his team had promised it's fans he would play AND score on his debut. After sitting on the bench for 70 minutes and the team getting no where near the goal, the ref suddenly gave Shanghai a penalty, Ba was subbed on (limping) and was told to take the penalty. Only, he missed, and missed badly. However the ref decided that the defenders had encroached (even though none had) and demanded the penalty be retaken, which it was and Ba finally scored with the goal keeper essentially jumping out the way of the ball. Ba was then subbed off looking like an awkward teenager at a toddlers birthday party.

If Ba was just in it for a money, he made a terrible mistake, despite 'some' talent, the Chinese super league is basically made up of actors, sorry amateur footballers. While playing in a Shanghai derby match, an opposition player basically went all San Marino on him and broke his leg, he hasn't played since and may never again. Once his contract runs out, it looks like he will miss out on the rest of his career. Worth it? Probably not.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 13 Jan 17 11.01pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Now costa is tempted.
You only need a dozen or so big names to go and the floodgates will open.
I mean Costa £30M pa? Who would blame him to take if. that's £600K/ wk.
So how would Wilf react to £ 150/wk
Football and footballers.......money driven. China is gonna do some damage.

 

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View Jamesrichards8's Profile Jamesrichards8 Flag 14 Jan 17 12.08am Send a Private Message to Jamesrichards8 Add Jamesrichards8 as a friend

Just a fad. china is a cheap copier of talent. look at their purchases of antiques, quality consumer goods, foreign property, etc. They burn brightly and invest heavily for a short period of time before realizing that they are, in fact, still chinese and no amount of money or merchandise will change that. the term nouveau riche is an understatement. They are cheap, tasteless wannabes who rip off the poor in their own country and seek desperately to copy the culture of others. That'll never appeal to the global millions

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (14 Jan 2017 12.09am)

 


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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 14 Jan 17 1.46am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

The Chinese football leagues are not ready to truly take the game seriously so at this point high profile signings are just PR stunts for the top teams.

I read that if a team gets relegated then the fans just move on to the next team. They don't support their clubs the way the rest of the world support their clubs. Can you imagine being relegated from the Prem league and then having a 80% drop in season tickets sales? It would spell the end of any club, especially while paying one player a possible £350k a week!

While I don't mind seeing players nearing the end of their career going out there, it would be a concern if younger prospects started to go there. They say that simply training with world class players can bring your game along let alone what playing in the most competitive leagues can do to aid development...what would it do for a young prospect playing in China?

 

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View snytaxx's Profile snytaxx Flag London 14 Jan 17 5.43am Send a Private Message to snytaxx Add snytaxx as a friend

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Just a fad. china is a cheap copier of talent. look at their purchases of antiques, quality consumer goods, foreign property, etc. They burn brightly and invest heavily for a short period of time before realizing that they are, in fact, still chinese and no amount of money or merchandise will change that. the term nouveau riche is an understatement. They are cheap, tasteless wannabes who rip off the poor in their own country and seek desperately to copy the culture of others. That'll never appeal to the global millions

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (14 Jan 2017 12.09am)

It's definitely okay to have a certain amount of beef with China, however some of what you've written above is not only unjustified, it's damn right wrong.

Firstly China has plenty of talent, it just needs the right investment to bring it out. Dont believe me? Look at the Olympics, during the 1970s they won nothing, in the 1980's they started to invest and by the 1990's they started to break into the medal table. Now look at them! Give them a couple of decades and they will be at a world cup.

Moving on to their purchases of antiques. Again your right, the Chinese are buying a lot, however I might suggest you actually look at what kinds of antiques they are actually buying. I think you'd find alot of them are ancient Chinese artefacts which were illegally removed from China decades ago.

" They burn brightly and invest heavily for a short period of time before realizing that they are"

If you look at China's 5000 year history, you'd actually find they have been burning very brightly for longs periods of that, I mean they did invent gunpowder after all. Still don't let facts and history get in the way of a good rant.

"They are cheap, tasteless wannabes who rip off the poor in their own country and seek desperately to copy the culture of others

So they work hard and for not alot of money, not sure why this is suddenly a bad thing. They are all tasteless, despite having ancient culture, excellent culinary and interesting linguistics thats it - they are all totally tasteless because you said so. Whats next? Oh they 'rip off the poor in their country'. While any country with 1.3 billion people of course has issues, since 1980 they have managed to bring over 500 million people out of poverty, with another 200 million promised in the next 20 years. Still - not good enough for James Richards - f***ERS!

Whats the last 'argument'? - Oh they try and copy other peoples cultures? Absolutely - how DARE they come over to OUR country, invest £10,000's pounds of THEIR OWN MONEY in to OUR CULTURE to try and build bridges, and then, they have the cheek to want to enjoy the same things WE BRITISH want to enjoy. I mean, my god, why can't we have the kind of people who'd just insist we adopt their entire culture to suit them instead! HOW UTTERLY SELFISH!

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Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

The Chinese football leagues are not ready to truly take the game seriously so at this point high profile signings are just PR stunts for the top teams.

I read that if a team gets relegated then the fans just move on to the next team. They don't support their clubs the way the rest of the world support their clubs. Can you imagine being relegated from the Prem league and then having a 80% drop in season tickets sales? It would spell the end of any club, especially while paying one player a possible £350k a week!

While I don't mind seeing players nearing the end of their career going out there, it would be a concern if younger prospects started to go there. They say that simply training with world class players can bring your game along let alone what playing in the most competitive leagues can do to aid development...what would it do for a young prospect playing in China?

As i've said before, it will be the older players coming out here.

Your also fairly well informed regarding fan loyalty. Sadly Chinese culture often rewards the strong, many fans don't really have the concept of football team loyalty, you just watch football to be entertained, why would you want to be associated with a team that loses alot? A questions many of us Palace fans have asked ourselves on occasion im sure.

As i've also said previous, players won't come here because the league isn't fair yet either. If you are a smaller side, it's almost impossible to beat a bigger team away from home because the referee's wont allow it. I went to a Beijing Guo An game once where the referee gave a penalty in he 91st minute against the away team (who where leading 0-1) because the goalkeeper committed handball. like... WTF? Plus don't forget the injury risk.

 

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 14 Jan 17 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by snytaxx

As i've said before, it will be the older players coming out here.

Your also fairly well informed regarding fan loyalty. Sadly Chinese culture often rewards the strong, many fans don't really have the concept of football team loyalty, you just watch football to be entertained, why would you want to be associated with a team that loses alot? A questions many of us Palace fans have asked ourselves on occasion im sure.

As i've also said previous, players won't come here because the league isn't fair yet either. If you are a smaller side, it's almost impossible to beat a bigger team away from home because the referee's wont allow it. I went to a Beijing Guo An game once where the referee gave a penalty in he 91st minute against the away team (who where leading 0-1) because the goalkeeper committed handball. like... WTF? Plus don't forget the injury risk.

I have enjoyed reading your input about a league that I'm still only just learning about. I will tell you something, I like to bet on football and it strikes me now just how many games abroad might be fixed. It's a big concern ya know, because until now I would never have believed it.

 

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