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Part Time James 09 Jan 17 11.48am
We are in an ice age at the moment, albeit an interglacial period which still technically forms part of an ice age. All the time there are large ice sheets or glacial continents in both the Northern and Southern hemisphere (which there are), we're in an ice age. This is why I have started buying a coffee at mid-week football matches.
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We are in an ice age at the moment, albeit an interglacial period which still technically forms part of an ice age. All the time there are large ice sheets or glacial continents in both the Northern and Southern hemisphere (which there are), we're in an ice age.

This is why I have started buying a coffee at mid-week football matches.

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Part Time James 09 Jan 17 11.52am
Anyway, I predict that it will all just drive evolution and a master race of people that can survive on whatever resources are left will develop. They'll be mainly made up of people that are prudent enough to start wearing t-shirts in winter.
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09 Jan 17 11.52am

Anyway, I predict that it will all just drive evolution and a master race of people that can survive on whatever resources are left will develop. They'll be mainly made up of people that are prudent enough to start wearing t-shirts in winter.

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rikz Croydon 09 Jan 17 4.00pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I can't find the graph on the internet, but an ice-age happens approximately every 10,000 years. This data has been collected from deep ice core samples from which you can derive approximate age (from depth) and carbon dioxide content (and therefore global temperature estimate). So temperature has always been fluctuating over thousands of years. The thing that concerns scientist, is that since the start of the Industrial Revolution (late 1700's), the temperature has soared over a period of only 200 years. This massive acceleration of temperature over such a short time period is theorised to be due to anthropogenic activity. (people burning stuff) As a planet, we are now at the hottest that we can determine we have ever been. We are at a Tipping Point. Will Planet Earth find a way to moderate, or will mankind have to take more radical action ? No we're not.
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Croydon 09 Jan 17 4.00pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I can't find the graph on the internet, but an ice-age happens approximately every 10,000 years. This data has been collected from deep ice core samples from which you can derive approximate age (from depth) and carbon dioxide content (and therefore global temperature estimate).

So temperature has always been fluctuating over thousands of years.

The thing that concerns scientist, is that since the start of the Industrial Revolution (late 1700's), the temperature has soared over a period of only 200 years.
This massive acceleration of temperature over such a short time period is theorised to be due to anthropogenic activity. (people burning stuff)

As a planet, we are now at the hottest that we can determine we have ever been. We are at a Tipping Point.

Will Planet Earth find a way to moderate, or will mankind have to take more radical action ?

No we're not.

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chateauferret 09 Jan 17 8.44pm
Originally posted by rikz No we're not. Indeed not. Anyone who believes that <willo>hogwash</willo> is so far out of touch they're hardly worth debating with. This is an ice age, and during non-ice-ages (no snow and ice at the poles - which accounts for about 80% of the last 2.5 billion years) the global temperature is much higher than now - in the late Cretaceous there were deciduous forests all the way to the poles. At other times there has been a "Snowball Earth" with ice sheets extending to the Equator. Against that background vested interests publish alarming-looking graphs showing what look like sharp rises in temperature over the latter part of the last say 100-200 years. Then you look at the Y axis and see that it spans about one degree Centigrade. In the context of the history of the planet such changes are trivial. Anyone still around when the present interglacial ends will know it. Anyone still around when the present ice age ends will think they're on a different planet entirely. Edited by chateauferret (09 Jan 2017 8.45pm) ============ The Ferret ============
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09 Jan 17 8.44pm

Originally posted by rikz

No we're not.

Indeed not. Anyone who believes that <willo>hogwash</willo> is so far out of touch they're hardly worth debating with. This is an ice age, and during non-ice-ages (no snow and ice at the poles - which accounts for about 80% of the last 2.5 billion years) the global temperature is much higher than now - in the late Cretaceous there were deciduous forests all the way to the poles. At other times there has been a "Snowball Earth" with ice sheets extending to the Equator.

Against that background vested interests publish alarming-looking graphs showing what look like sharp rises in temperature over the latter part of the last say 100-200 years. Then you look at the Y axis and see that it spans about one degree Centigrade.

In the context of the history of the planet such changes are trivial. Anyone still around when the present interglacial ends will know it. Anyone still around when the present ice age ends will think they're on a different planet entirely.

Edited by chateauferret (09 Jan 2017 8.45pm)

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rikz Croydon 09 Jan 17 9.18pm
Originally posted by chateauferret Indeed not. Anyone who believes that <willo>hogwash</willo> is so far out of touch they're hardly worth debating with. This is an ice age, and during non-ice-ages (no snow and ice at the poles - which accounts for about 80% of the last 2.5 billion years) the global temperature is much higher than now - in the late Cretaceous there were deciduous forests all the way to the poles. At other times there has been a "Snowball Earth" with ice sheets extending to the Equator. Against that background vested interests publish alarming-looking graphs showing what look like sharp rises in temperature over the latter part of the last say 100-200 years. Then you look at the Y axis and see that it spans about one degree Centigrade. In the context of the history of the planet such changes are trivial. Anyone still around when the present interglacial ends will know it. Anyone still around when the present ice age ends will think they're on a different planet entirely. Edited by chateauferret (09 Jan 2017 8.45pm) This is the correct answer. Is global warming real, yes, is it caused by humans, no, is it accelerated, yes but in terms of the earths life cycle its so insignificant if the earth was a 24 hour clock it probably wouldn't even register as a 100th of a second. We have as much chance of affecting the earth's natural warming and cooling periods as we do of changing the seasons or how many days it takes the earth to go around the sun. It's all about money and both sides of the argument are propaganda pushed out by the fossil fuel and green energy companies to suit their agenda. Saying all that we should all have a responsibility to preserve and look after the earth as best as we can but no human will ever alter mother nature.
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Croydon 09 Jan 17 9.18pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Edited by chateauferret (09 Jan 2017 8.45pm)

This is the correct answer.

Is global warming real, yes, is it caused by humans, no, is it accelerated, yes but in terms of the earths life cycle its so insignificant if the earth was a 24 hour clock it probably wouldn't even register as a 100th of a second.

We have as much chance of affecting the earth's natural warming and cooling periods as we do of changing the seasons or how many days it takes the earth to go around the sun.

It's all about money and both sides of the argument are propaganda pushed out by the fossil fuel and green energy companies to suit their agenda.

Saying all that we should all have a responsibility to preserve and look after the earth as best as we can but no human will ever alter mother nature.

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nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 09 Jan 17 11.10pm
Originally posted by rikz This is the correct answer. Is global warming real, yes, is it caused by humans, no, is it accelerated, yes but in terms of the earths life cycle its so insignificant if the earth was a 24 hour clock it probably wouldn't even register as a 100th of a second. We have as much chance of affecting the earth's natural warming and cooling periods as we do of changing the seasons or how many days it takes the earth to go around the sun. It's all about money and both sides of the argument are propaganda pushed out by the fossil fuel and green energy companies to suit their agenda. Saying all that we should all have a responsibility to preserve and look after the earth as best as we can but no human will ever alter mother nature. So very true. Untold trillions could be spent globally on preventing "climate change" or "global warming", and it could all go down the khasi if a dirty great volcano erupts and pumps out huge amounts of ash and crap into the atmosphere. A large enough eruption could cause a global cooling of the planet, lasting from months to years. As well as the ash and dust that is emitted from an erupting volcano, large quantities of greenhouse gasses are released into the atmosphere. A few large volcanic eruptions occurring at around the same time could even trigger global warning.
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Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 09 Jan 17 11.10pm

Originally posted by rikz

This is the correct answer.

We have as much chance of affecting the earth's natural warming and cooling periods as we do of changing the seasons or how many days it takes the earth to go around the sun.

It's all about money and both sides of the argument are propaganda pushed out by the fossil fuel and green energy companies to suit their agenda.

Saying all that we should all have a responsibility to preserve and look after the earth as best as we can but no human will ever alter mother nature.

So very true. Untold trillions could be spent globally on preventing "climate change" or "global warming", and it could all go down the khasi if a dirty great volcano erupts and pumps out huge amounts of ash and crap into the atmosphere. A large enough eruption could cause a global cooling of the planet, lasting from months to years.

As well as the ash and dust that is emitted from an erupting volcano, large quantities of greenhouse gasses are released into the atmosphere. A few large volcanic eruptions occurring at around the same time could even trigger global warning.

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rikz Croydon 09 Jan 17 11.40pm
If people really want to live in fear then you should do some research into asteroids, one the size of a 10 storey building has only just passed earth by 120,000 miles and was only spotted 24 hours ago. The earth is covered in scars from them and you would only need one about a mile in circumference to make mankind extinct.
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Croydon 09 Jan 17 11.40pm

If people really want to live in fear then you should do some research into asteroids, one the size of a 10 storey building has only just passed earth by 120,000 miles and was only spotted 24 hours ago. The earth is covered in scars from them and you would only need one about a mile in circumference to make mankind extinct.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 10 Jan 17 8.45pm
Originally posted by rikz No we're not. yeah,...we is "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Originally posted by rikz

No we're not.

yeah,...we is

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 10 Jan 17 8.46pm
Originally posted by rikz If people really want to live in fear then you should do some research into asteroids, one the size of a 10 storey building has only just passed earth by 120,000 miles and was only spotted 24 hours ago. The earth is covered in scars from them and you would only need one about a mile in circumference to make mankind extinct. you spout shlt "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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in a hidey-hole 10 Jan 17 8.46pm

Originally posted by rikz

you spout shlt

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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