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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 22 Jan 17 9.49am Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

I forgot to say (sorry got distracted), I don't think that anything we do will change what has already happened. It cannot be reversed, it is happening. It will continue. Whatever we do. It may go into recline, it has in the past, it may accelerate. It's done that too. But whether we have or have not been complicit in the climate change is moot. It is here. It is happening. And any amount of money is useless to stop it. Much like praying for it to stop.

We could stop all CO2 production tomorrow, but the effect would be nil. Ask your scientist mates.

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Hoof Hearted 22 Jan 17 10.11am

Rikz.... it's difficult to take your participation in this debate seriously when you haven't even grasped the simple concept of how to post using quotes from other posters without fcuking it up.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (22 Jan 2017 10.12am)

 

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View sitdownstandup's Profile sitdownstandup Flag 22 Jan 17 10.37am Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Whether or not global warming is real (and I think it is btw) we should be doing all we can to protect our planet and not continuing to destroy it in the way we are. It is almost as of some people believe that, because it's possible that the evidence is fabricated, that we can continue destroying the environment in the way that we are and it will be of no consequence. The facts are that we are destroying the rainforest at a rate that we never have done before. (80,000 acres a day) according to this website [Link] scientific american), we are polluting the oceans too and destroying the animals of our world and their habitats. The number 1 cause of global warming, more damaging to our environment than all forms of transport combined, is eating meat. Watch the film cowspiracy [Link]
to find out more. People just point the finger at others and moan that there is nothing that we can do. The truth is is that the power is in the hands of every person on our planet to educate and inform themselves and then make a change which will be beneficial for themselves, the people around them and the planet. Instead of debating whether or not global warming is real we should be doing all we can to take better care of the planet for ourselves and for the future kids and animals.

Edited by sitdownstandup (22 Jan 2017 11.12am)

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 22 Jan 17 10.43am

Originally posted by chateauferret

We are currently in an interglacial period within the Quaternary ice age. The factors that drive global temperatures over time are:

- solar energy output which increases approximately at the rate of 9% per billion years but which is variable around this
- orbital forcing, periodic changes in the Earth's orbit in two cycles ("Milankovitch cycles" of about 41,000 and 100,000 years
- density of gas and dust in the space between the Earth and the Sun, which is mostly driven by the Earth's proximity to the galactic plane where gas and dust are densest; this follows a cycle of about 33 million years and is also a factor in the disruption of the Oort cloud, producing temporary increases in comet flux
- the quantities in the atmosphere of gases which cause heat retention ("greenhouse effect", which include carbon dioxide, methane and water. Sources of these include vulcanism (the rate of which varies), absorbtion and release of gases by rocks and vegetation ("sinks", human activity, biological processes, evaporation of sea water
- the quantity of ice and snow on the surface of the Earth, which reflects sunlight and reduces the heating effect of insolation
- the distribution of landmass over the surface, which increases or decreases the flow of ocean water between polar and tropical regions, and which follows the approximately 400-million year Wilson cycle between widely distributed continents (as now) and a single supercontinent (Rodinia, Pangaea, etc).

Notice that some of these mechanisms are feedback cycles which serve to amplify effects. For example, if the earth cools, there is more snow and ice, which reflects sunlight, so the earth cools further. Conversely, if the earth warms up, water evaporates from the oceans, and this is a greenhouse gas.

The current ice age has been going on for about 2.5 million years. The present interglacial has been going on for about 12,000 years. Within the present interglacial there have been a number of climate changes, in some cases abrupt, and before the rise of industry. Some may have been caused by man's agricultural, rather than industrial, activities. Others are certainly attributable to vulcanism. Current rises in carbon dioxide concentration began before industrialisation, may be driven by temperature changes rather than being their cause, and are one part of one factor in the complex and chaotic systems that drive changes in local and global climates over time. For example, Edward Whymper in his works about Alpine mountaineering in the 1860s notes sharp reductions in the extent of Alpine glaciation between the 18th and 19th centuries.

Most people who do x, y, and z because of "global warming" do not understand that they are living in an ice age, or what that means.

Edited by chateauferret (07 Jan 2017 10.33pm)

just what i was going to say!

 

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View sitdownstandup's Profile sitdownstandup Flag 22 Jan 17 11.45am Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

We are currently in an interglacial period within the Quaternary ice age. The factors that drive global temperatures over time are:

- solar energy output which increases approximately at the rate of 9% per billion years but which is variable around this
- orbital forcing, periodic changes in the Earth's orbit in two cycles ("Milankovitch cycles" of about 41,000 and 100,000 years
- density of gas and dust in the space between the Earth and the Sun, which is mostly driven by the Earth's proximity to the galactic plane where gas and dust are densest; this follows a cycle of about 33 million years and is also a factor in the disruption of the Oort cloud, producing temporary increases in comet flux
- the quantities in the atmosphere of gases which cause heat retention ("greenhouse effect", which include carbon dioxide, methane and water. Sources of these include vulcanism (the rate of which varies), absorbtion and release of gases by rocks and vegetation ("sinks", human activity, biological processes, evaporation of sea water
- the quantity of ice and snow on the surface of the Earth, which reflects sunlight and reduces the heating effect of insolation
- the distribution of landmass over the surface, which increases or decreases the flow of ocean water between polar and tropical regions, and which follows the approximately 400-million year Wilson cycle between widely distributed continents (as now) and a single supercontinent (Rodinia, Pangaea, etc).

Notice that some of these mechanisms are feedback cycles which serve to amplify effects. For example, if the earth cools, there is more snow and ice, which reflects sunlight, so the earth cools further. Conversely, if the earth warms up, water evaporates from the oceans, and this is a greenhouse gas.

The current ice age has been going on for about 2.5 million years. The present interglacial has been going on for about 12,000 years. Within the present interglacial there have been a number of climate changes, in some cases abrupt, and before the rise of industry. Some may have been caused by man's agricultural, rather than industrial, activities. Others are certainly attributable to vulcanism. Current rises in carbon dioxide concentration began before industrialisation, may be driven by temperature changes rather than being their cause, and are one part of one factor in the complex and chaotic systems that drive changes in local and global climates over time. For example, Edward Whymper in his works about Alpine mountaineering in the 1860s notes sharp reductions in the extent of Alpine glaciation between the 18th and 19th centuries.

Most people who do x, y, and z because of "global warming" do not understand that they are living in an ice age, or what that means.


That's a lot of info.... but hey we are accelerating the destruction of our planet and it's usually those who stand to lose profits from taking care of the environment or those who support them who suggest that global warming isn't real. (People like Trump)
Most environmentalists are vegan and for good reason... we can all take better care of our planet, not by pointing fingers but by changing our diet.

 


Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping.

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View sitdownstandup's Profile sitdownstandup Flag 22 Jan 17 11.47am Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

We are currently in an interglacial period within the Quaternary ice age. The factors that drive global temperatures over time are:

- solar energy output which increases approximately at the rate of 9% per billion years but which is variable around this
- orbital forcing, periodic changes in the Earth's orbit in two cycles ("Milankovitch cycles" of about 41,000 and 100,000 years
- density of gas and dust in the space between the Earth and the Sun, which is mostly driven by the Earth's proximity to the galactic plane where gas and dust are densest; this follows a cycle of about 33 million years and is also a factor in the disruption of the Oort cloud, producing temporary increases in comet flux
- the quantities in the atmosphere of gases which cause heat retention ("greenhouse effect", which include carbon dioxide, methane and water. Sources of these include vulcanism (the rate of which varies), absorbtion and release of gases by rocks and vegetation ("sinks", human activity, biological processes, evaporation of sea water
- the quantity of ice and snow on the surface of the Earth, which reflects sunlight and reduces the heating effect of insolation
- the distribution of landmass over the surface, which increases or decreases the flow of ocean water between polar and tropical regions, and which follows the approximately 400-million year Wilson cycle between widely distributed continents (as now) and a single supercontinent (Rodinia, Pangaea, etc).

Notice that some of these mechanisms are feedback cycles which serve to amplify effects. For example, if the earth cools, there is more snow and ice, which reflects sunlight, so the earth cools further. Conversely, if the earth warms up, water evaporates from the oceans, and this is a greenhouse gas.

The current ice age has been going on for about 2.5 million years. The present interglacial has been going on for about 12,000 years. Within the present interglacial there have been a number of climate changes, in some cases abrupt, and before the rise of industry. Some may have been caused by man's agricultural, rather than industrial, activities. Others are certainly attributable to vulcanism. Current rises in carbon dioxide concentration began before industrialisation, may be driven by temperature changes rather than being their cause, and are one part of one factor in the complex and chaotic systems that drive changes in local and global climates over time. For example, Edward Whymper in his works about Alpine mountaineering in the 1860s notes sharp reductions in the extent of Alpine glaciation between the 18th and 19th centuries.

Most people who do x, y, and z because of "global warming" do not understand that they are living in an ice age, or what that means.

Edited by chateauferret (07 Jan 2017 10.33pm)

That's a lot of info.... but hey we are accelerating the destruction of our planet and it's usually those who stand to lose profits from taking care of the environment or those who support them who suggest that global warming isn't real. (People like Trump)
Most environmentalists are vegan and for good reason... we can all take better care of our planet, not by pointing fingers but by changing our diet.

 


Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping.

Hubert Reeves

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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 22 Jan 17 2.01pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Rikz.... it's difficult to take your participation in this debate seriously when you haven't even grasped the simple concept of how to post using quotes from other posters without fcuking it up.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (22 Jan 2017 10.12am)

It's difficult to take your participation seriously when you decide a debate on whether someone has made a mistake while quoting.

You don't need to listen to me anyway like I said all the information is easily accessible.

They are all theories, opinions and predictions(plenty have been proven false).

We have such a insignificant affect on mother nature that I wouldn't even worry. It's probably not a bad thing for the world's economy that a market has been created due to global warming and it's not a bad thing that people are more aware of trying to preserve our planet as best we can but if you think for one second we have any serious say on the earth's climate then you are wrong.

Edited by rikz (22 Jan 2017 2.03pm)

 

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View susmik's Profile susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 22 Jan 17 2.01pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Global Warming is a purely natural thing and NOT down to us poor illiterate humans:

[Link]

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 22 Jan 17 2.10pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by sitdownstandup

That's a lot of info.... but hey we are accelerating the destruction of our planet and it's usually those who stand to lose profits from taking care of the environment or those who support them who suggest that global warming isn't real. (People like Trump)
Most environmentalists are vegan and for good reason... we can all take better care of our planet, not by pointing fingers but by changing our diet.

I'd say we are more likely to accelerate the destruction of our own race way before our own planet.

 

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View sitdownstandup's Profile sitdownstandup Flag 22 Jan 17 4.58pm Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

I'd say we are more likely to accelerate the destruction of our own race way before our own planet.

I think the two are related and when we decide to take better care of the planet we will take better care of each other and as long as we continue fighting and destroying each other we'll do the same to the planet.

 


Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping.

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Originally posted by susmik

Global Warming is a purely natural thing and NOT down to us poor illiterate humans:

[Link]


I can believe that in the past it's possible to say that the earth was changing and that was natural but with the impact that people are having on the environment and the fact that we are cutting down rainforests at the rate that we are I think it's very likely that we are adversely affecting the planet. It's almost as if saying that we can continue cutting down the rainforests, destroy them all and it won't have any effect at all. That, I think, is very unlikely. It's almost like saying that you can eat whatever you like and you won't eventually suffer from some sort of disease. We shouldn't be complacent about how we are changing the world. It's assuring to think that we can just continue living lives as we are and we have to do nothing because global warming will continue whatever we do or it's actually not happening at all but it's difficult to believe that our destruction of nature is not causing harm to ourselves and the planet. Truth is we can wake up and reverse climate change just the same way as we can reverse poor diets and their detrimental efects on our health just by treating the planet better than we are at the moment. It doesn't take government intervention, it's just down to people deciding to become more pro active and making an effort to make a positive change.

Edited by sitdownstandup (22 Jan 2017 7.07pm)

 


Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping.

Hubert Reeves

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Originally posted by sitdownstandup

I think the two are related and when we decide to take better care of the planet we will take better care of each other and as long as we continue fighting and destroying each other we'll do the same to the planet.

The earth's lifespan is 10 billion years, mass extinction occurs on average every 20 million years, the last being 65 million years ago. If I had to bet I'd say the earth will be here long after humans but hopefully I'm wrong, who knows.

 

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