Lee is shuts...Apart from the odd glimpse of why we bought him he has been woeful..Summed up beautifully by him all but taking an air kick in the pen area yesterday.

Running around doesn't make you a footballer being able to have an influence on a game does. He turns possession over too mutch...He's lightweight in the tackle and apart from a great strike 14months ago offers very little else.

Jordan Mutch on the other hand is a better passer of the ball, retains the ball far better, is better in the air and in the tackle. Sadly though he seems to be the scapegoat for a lot of people who don't understand the game.

Damo should be back up at best. He brings heart but we should have a better number one centre back than him. Ward? Was full of potential but even last season when chipping in with goals wasn't convincing.

Punch has been good for us and at times our best player. I'm starting to wonder if that's the problem though, the bar is too low

We have had a dead cat bounce since Allardyce came in. In my opinion we look worse. He needs time but Hull did ok didn't they.

Agree with this re damo and ward. They have served us well, but now, damo is not even a good squad player. Him and Ward are doing their best but its just not good enough any more. Ward at a push keep for back up, but playing them both in the same defence its no surprise what is happening.

Both of their games are geared towards a slower more possession based game. I rate Mutch ahead of Ledley, although that's not saying much. Lee could be a decent player played as an attacking midfielder if we choose to play through him, he is absolutely not a winger, especially in our system where the full-backs don't cross the half way line.