I hate to worry you all.... But we need a completely new defence (as well as strengthening midfield with a ball winner and a striker that can actually score!)

Hennessey was only another contributory factor in all 3 goals.

The first goal was his worst effort, but the defenders/midfield were also to blame for conceding it.

He had no chance with the 2nd but Ward could have got closer to Carroll, like Antonio did to Benteke earlier.

The 3rd goal was a fcuking shambles... we had possession on their goal line and allowed Lanzini to sprint the length of the pitch and chip it over Hennessey FFS.

Big Sam/Little Sam have a monumental task on their hands to sort the team out.

I don't expect to see immediate improvement it is so bad, but by February... IF we can get in a few more tidy players and the coaching methods kick in.

Scott Dann has gone from being a potential England prospect to a liability of late.

Luckily the 3 clubs below us have some tough fixtures coming up, so we should not lose much ground whilst we rebuild our bunch of misfits into a winning team.

Whatever happens in the future, I shall remember Jules' clean sheet last week.

Kentish Maid, born Beckenham, Kent; lifelong Palace supporter.

Agreed. Again yesterday Ward at left back was all over the place and constantly giving the ball away as well as defending badly. He needs to fight for the right back position only. The sooner we get a left back (I think Schlupp is left midfield) and a further cover player for left back the better. Still think Ward with Kelly as cover is good enough but if Jenkinson comes in all the better? Still out on Tomkins, but I suppose he is good cover for Dann and Delaney? Also need to find a new captain as Dann has suffered with his form since being given it? Basically we need a constant back four with players playing in there rightful positions?

WH was poor for the first and third goals i thought keepers made themselves big he made himself small. He is still our best fit keeper until Speroni proves me wrong on Tuesday fingers crossed.

Spot on. He is a wimp. Also has a mistake in him every game. Unfortunatly for us he gets punished for it nearly every time.He is not a Premier league standard keeper.

So will we seeing that is at least the third thread where you've posted the exact same line.

Anyway as Hoof has intimated goalkeeper is only part of the problem. Defensively we are just bloody awful. Damo is shot, yes he has the heart but he is not good enough, Dann, is a good CB and certainly good enough starter but I've always said he is overrated by most Palace fans. Remember the Dann for England shouts?

What currently concerns me most is we look even less organised than under Pardew. I thought the one thing Allardyce would bring is discipline without the ball.