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bexleydave Barnehurst 03 Feb 17 6.30am
Originally posted by kenbarr This is impossible in the present Main Stand. It is way too old, has ingress/egress from ground level which would mean the installation of lifts which can't be used in a fire emergency. They could try to use ramps on either end of the stand but that takes up a lot of space due to grading. Possible in AW and maybe the Holmesdale. Reading this reminds me of a one size fitting all approaches that were attempted in the US 20-25 years ago and failed miserably. As public transport is my field, I paid particular attention to that section, entitled outside the stadium. It is completely unrealistic for many grounds, including Selhurst, which are located in primarily residential areas. Unless there has been a tremendous upgrade at both Norwood Junction and Selhurst stations (Thornton Heath is too far away by these standards) and the Whitehorse Lane bus (used to be the #68 ) has become 100% accessible, both things beyond the control of the club, there can never be compliance. Another is the recommendation that "modified coaches should be be provided drop off points no more than 50 meters from any stand entrance. This would be a safety nightmare on both Holmesdale and Park Roads unless these coaches arrived at least one hour before the match. Since the away team coach arrives at Selhurst nearly 90 minutes before the match, having additional coaches in the club ("Executive" ) car park would be an absolute nightmare. You are absolutely right, Bex, Selhurst can't comply without major redevelopment. As it is, the Main Stand operates with a waiver due to its age and presence of wood. By focusing on numbers rather than actual infrastructure as well as not taking geography into account, it offers false hope for people who should be able to enjoy the game without regard to physical condition. I can just imagine what the folks down at Bournemouth are thinking. I believe a more effective approach is to take each ground and devising methods to allow greater access based on the actual location and conditions of that ground in consultation with the local authority, who should have planning expertise in this area that a football club does not. Thank you for posting the document. Watford are taking, what I consider, a sensible approach to this: "David Butler, chairman of WFC Enables – the independent supporter group for people with disabilities at Watford FC – said the club’s aspiration should be to meet “actual demand” rather than guideline figures" [Link] I hadn't read the transport section at the time of posting, but I can confirm that your recollections of the local network haven't changed much. There's little point in asking clubs to commit to issues over which they have no control. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 03 Feb 17 6.30am

Originally posted by kenbarr

This is impossible in the present Main Stand. It is way too old, has ingress/egress from ground level which would mean the installation of lifts which can't be used in a fire emergency. They could try to use ramps on either end of the stand but that takes up a lot of space due to grading. Possible in AW and maybe the Holmesdale.

Reading this reminds me of a one size fitting all approaches that were attempted in the US 20-25 years ago and failed miserably.

As public transport is my field, I paid particular attention to that section, entitled outside the stadium. It is completely unrealistic for many grounds, including Selhurst, which are located in primarily residential areas. Unless there has been a tremendous upgrade at both Norwood Junction and Selhurst stations (Thornton Heath is too far away by these standards) and the Whitehorse Lane bus (used to be the #68 ) has become 100% accessible, both things beyond the control of the club, there can never be compliance. Another is the recommendation that "modified coaches should be be provided drop off points no more than 50 meters from any stand entrance. This would be a safety nightmare on both Holmesdale and Park Roads unless these coaches arrived at least one hour before the match. Since the away team coach arrives at Selhurst nearly 90 minutes before the match, having additional coaches in the club ("Executive" ) car park would be an absolute nightmare.

You are absolutely right, Bex, Selhurst can't comply without major redevelopment. As it is, the Main Stand operates with a waiver due to its age and presence of wood. By focusing on numbers rather than actual infrastructure as well as not taking geography into account, it offers false hope for people who should be able to enjoy the game without regard to physical condition. I can just imagine what the folks down at Bournemouth are thinking. I believe a more effective approach is to take each ground and devising methods to allow greater access based on the actual location and conditions of that ground in consultation with the local authority, who should have planning expertise in this area that a football club does not.

Thank you for posting the document.

Watford are taking, what I consider, a sensible approach to this:

"David Butler, chairman of WFC Enables – the independent supporter group for people with disabilities at Watford FC – said the club’s aspiration should be to meet “actual demand” rather than guideline figures"

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I hadn't read the transport section at the time of posting, but I can confirm that your recollections of the local network haven't changed much. There's little point in asking clubs to commit to issues over which they have no control.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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MrCParrot Taunton 03 Feb 17 7.22am
I think that we should be given the time and SUPPORT from the league to improve the ground. Its going to be really difficult to get our stadium plans through all the council committees etc It would be crazy to be made to pay fines whilst this process is going on. I feel this might become just another fund gathering exercise like speed cameras were a few years ago. Parrot Mr Cadbury's Parrot says "Hello"
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Taunton 03 Feb 17 7.22am

I think that we should be given the time and SUPPORT from the league to improve the ground. Its going to be really difficult to get our stadium plans through all the council committees etc
It would be crazy to be made to pay fines whilst this process is going on. I feel this might become just another fund gathering exercise like speed cameras were a few years ago.

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Flightsequence 03 Feb 17 7.30am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch The scallies of course [Link] ------------------------------------------------------- Reminds me of this old classic. [Link] Edited by Flightsequence (03 Feb 2017 7.39am)
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

The scallies of course

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Reminds me of this old classic.
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