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 OknotOK  Cockfosters, London 20 Jan 17 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Correct. It's not the Welsh or Scottish they hate it is the English PERIOD. I see & hear this on a daily basis in NYC. I'm now at that time of the year when St Patrick's Day stuff is getting made & sold & I have to get an Irish friend to sell this crap as I wouldn't get a look in. Ironically If I play on my Scottish ancestry they don't have a problem with it. I will also state for the record most of the Irish I deal with I get on with Its primarily people from Norn Iron.... I suppose it's the oppressed/oppressor dynamic. The Welsh (and to a lesser extent the Scots as well) feel like the English are (at least historically) the oppressor and that they are all the oppressed. Northern Irish presumably feel an affinity with that idea. It's mostly jokey now in the UK - funny how immigrant families tend to carry on "mother land" bigotry worse than it is maintained in the mother land itself. My wife is half welsh and half Cypriot. I get stick in Swansea but for the most part it is all a bit of a laugh. And the most anti-Turkish stuff I hear isn't when we're in Cyprus, it's from families who haven't bloody lived in Cyprus since the 70s.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Jan 17 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
That's ok then Well he wasn't the one shooting innocent people that day. Problem with wars and conflicts, afterwards, neither side comes out clean and good. Every side has someone's blood, someone's injustice and someone's bloody murder on their hands, that they we're never held to account over (and probably never will be).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Jan 17 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
I suppose it's the oppressed/oppressor dynamic. The Welsh (and to a lesser extent the Scots as well) feel like the English are (at least historically) the oppressor and that they are all the oppressed. Northern Irish presumably feel an affinity with that idea. It's mostly jokey now in the UK - funny how immigrant families tend to carry on "mother land" bigotry worse than it is maintained in the mother land itself. My wife is half welsh and half Cypriot. I get stick in Swansea but for the most part it is all a bit of a laugh. And the most anti-Turkish stuff I hear isn't when we're in Cyprus, it's from families who haven't bloody lived in Cyprus since the 70s. Funny enough, its mostly people who don't live in the country, that tend to be the problem. I've worked with a lot of people from Northern Ireland, and in Ireland, including some people who are stout Republicans, and none of them seemed to have an issue.
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 20 Jan 17 4.27pm |
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McGuiness on the Republican side and Paisley on the Loyalist side were both horrible b******s in their time, but both, in time became instrumental in the peace process (and indeed they became close friends, on a personal, non political level). No one came out of the troubles smelling of roses (Loyalist, Republican or British armed forces), but for what he achieved for peace in NI, I tip my hat to him. Lots of people will focus on the bad stuff that went before, but again, look at any other players during the same period and they are similarly besmirched. Despite the horrible stuff he did back in the day, on the balance of things I think he was a positive force, in that he was the main player (certainly on the republican side) to finally bring about an end to the bloodshed in Ulster. Many won't agree, but they might want to consider the death toll on all sides we'd be at now, if things had gone on as they had, for another 25 years or so.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 20 Jan 17 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff
McGuiness on the Republican side and Paisley on the Loyalist side were both horrible b******s in their time, but both, in time became instrumental in the peace process (and indeed they became close friends, on a personal, non political level). No one came out of the troubles smelling of roses (Loyalist, Republican or British armed forces), but for what he achieved for peace in NI, I tip my hat to him. Lots of people will focus on the bad stuff that went before, but again, look at any other players during the same period and they are similarly besmirched. Despite the horrible stuff he did back in the day, on the balance of things I think he was a positive force, in that he was the main player (certainly on the republican side) to finally bring about an end to the bloodshed in Ulster. Many won't agree, but they might want to consider the death toll on all sides we'd be at now, if things had gone on as they had, for another 25 years or so. here here!
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| corkery Cork City 20 Jan 17 11.47pm |
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Both sides were bad. Thankfully it's all over. The new election is still pointless as the same government will be elected.
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