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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Jan 17 12.08am
Not forgetting the current plight of Christian minorities being slaughtered right now in the Middle east. Then of course the Armenians back in the early part of the 20th Century... Pro USA & Israel
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Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Jan 17 12.08am

Not forgetting the current plight of Christian minorities being slaughtered right now in the Middle east. Then of course the Armenians back in the early part of the 20th Century...

Pro USA & Israel

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Bert the Head Epsom 28 Jan 17 12.32am
Originally posted by Jimenez Not forgetting the current plight of Christian minorities being slaughtered right now in the Middle east. Then of course the Armenians back in the early part of the 20th Century... Hrolf the Ganger and Kermit you are right - lets get our own memorial going 5.93 million jews 2-3 million Soviet POWs 1.8-2 million ethnic poles 300,000 500,000 poles 270,000 disabled people 90,000-220,000 Romani Gypsies 5,000-15,000 homosexuals 2,500-5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses 7,000 Spanish Republicans All slaughtered by Fascism. Tasmanian aboriginals The Murder of Jews in York � (1190ad) Native Americans wiped out by immigrants to America; The Cambodian killed by the Khmer Rouge (who were then, after the Vietnamese stepped in to rescue then, supported by the UK and the USA to kill even more Cambodians; The victims of Stalin, The victims of Suharto in Indonesia, Pinochet in Chile The Armenian Genocide The Christian minorities being slaughtered (2013-?) Palestinians murdered in 1948 when the Israeli settlers drove the more fortunate Palestinians from their homes. The last is a slow burning genocide; But slowly, slowly the state if Israel is getting there.
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Bert the Head

Epsom 28 Jan 17 12.32am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Not forgetting the current plight of Christian minorities being slaughtered right now in the Middle east. Then of course the Armenians back in the early part of the 20th Century...

Hrolf the Ganger and Kermit you are right - lets get our own memorial going

5.93 million jews
2-3 million Soviet POWs
1.8-2 million ethnic poles
300,000 500,000 poles
270,000 disabled people
90,000-220,000 Romani Gypsies
5,000-15,000 homosexuals
2,500-5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses
7,000 Spanish Republicans

All slaughtered by Fascism.

Tasmanian aboriginals
The Murder of Jews in York � (1190ad)
Native Americans wiped out by immigrants to America;
The Cambodian killed by the Khmer Rouge (who were then, after the Vietnamese stepped in to rescue then, supported by the UK and the USA to kill even more Cambodians;
The victims of Stalin,
The victims of Suharto in Indonesia,
Pinochet in Chile
The Armenian Genocide
The Christian minorities being slaughtered (2013-?)
Palestinians murdered in 1948 when the Israeli settlers drove the more fortunate Palestinians from their homes. The last is a slow burning genocide; But slowly, slowly the state if Israel is getting there.

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NickinOX Sailing country. 28 Jan 17 12.38am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Holocaust Day is supposed to remember every genocide and not only the Jewish one but, reasonably, that does get the most attention because of the specifics and sheer numbers. I only found out recently the Germans had a dry run 40 years earlier with a mass killing of a specific tribe in South West Africa (their colony) when Hitler was only 11. wtf? I thought the genocide of the Herero and Nama was well known? I am surprised, that is all. You always seem pretty well read. I think the day was chosen as it is a specific date that can be remembered. After all, the mass killings all took place over time. Edited by NickinOX (28 Jan 2017 12.39am) If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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NickinOX

Sailing country. 28 Jan 17 12.38am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Holocaust Day is supposed to remember every genocide and not only the Jewish one but, reasonably, that does get the most attention because of the specifics and sheer numbers.

I only found out recently the Germans had a dry run 40 years earlier with a mass killing of a specific tribe in South West Africa (their colony) when Hitler was only 11. wtf?

I thought the genocide of the Herero and Nama was well known? I am surprised, that is all. You always seem pretty well read.

I think the day was chosen as it is a specific date that can be remembered. After all, the mass killings all took place over time.

Edited by NickinOX (28 Jan 2017 12.39am)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jan 17 9.46am
Originally posted by Jimenez Not forgetting the current plight of Christian minorities being slaughtered right now in the Middle east. Then of course the Armenians back in the early part of the 20th Century... Not just Christians all faiths. Groups like IS have no love for non sunni Muslims either. The great failure of humanity is that there are always people taken in by the idea that 'other people' are to blame. Whether its racial, gender based, sectarian, sexual orientation or other imagined nonsense we as a species embrace division by prejudice of difference over unity vbvby similarities because its always easier to blame others and than address our own failings and insecurities that make us easy to manipulate and control. We are all both the guard at the prison camp and the prisoner. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 28 Jan 17 9.46am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Not forgetting the current plight of Christian minorities being slaughtered right now in the Middle east. Then of course the Armenians back in the early part of the 20th Century...

Not just Christians all faiths. Groups like IS have no love for non sunni Muslims either. The great failure of humanity is that there are always people taken in by the idea that 'other people' are to blame. Whether its racial, gender based, sectarian, sexual orientation or other imagined nonsense we as a species embrace division by prejudice of difference over unity vbvby similarities because its always easier to blame others and than address our own failings and insecurities that make us easy to manipulate and control.

We are all both the guard at the prison camp and the prisoner.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Hoof Hearted 28 Jan 17 10.57am
Originally posted by Bert the Head You are being very selective...after all Hitler wasn't a communist and neither was Suharto or Pinochet. But I'm not so blinkered to think that communist haven't committed atrocities. Maybe a blinked view of history is your thing. Each to their own. Its the age of alternative facts after all Hitler was indeed responsible for the holocaust (unless you are one of those oddball holocaust deniers?).... but I'm sure I've seen a documentary somewhere that showed Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of millions of Poles and managed to get the Nazis to get the blame for it? Anyway... Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... whoever it was .... let's put that to one side and remember those jews and other poor unfortunates that lived life in abject misery and were then murdered systematically and callously in the death camps.
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Hoof Hearted 28 Jan 17 10.57am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

You are being very selective...after all Hitler wasn't a communist and neither was Suharto or Pinochet. But I'm not so blinkered to think that communist haven't committed atrocities.

Maybe a blinked view of history is your thing. Each to their own. Its the age of alternative facts after all

Hitler was indeed responsible for the holocaust (unless you are one of those oddball holocaust deniers?).... but I'm sure I've seen a documentary somewhere that showed Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of millions of Poles and managed to get the Nazis to get the blame for it?

Anyway... Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... whoever it was .... let's put that to one side and remember those jews and other poor unfortunates that lived life in abject misery and were then murdered systematically and callously in the death camps.

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Hoof Hearted 28 Jan 17 11.02am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Not just Christians all faiths. Groups like IS have no love for non sunni Muslims either. The great failure of humanity is that there are always people taken in by the idea that 'other people' are to blame. Whether its racial, gender based, sectarian, sexual orientation or other imagined nonsense we as a species embrace division by prejudice of difference over unity vbvby similarities because its always easier to blame others and than address our own failings and insecurities that make us easy to manipulate and control. We are all both the guard at the prison camp and the prisoner. Very true jamie. I would add one more atrocity to the list.... the slaughter and persecution of the Tamils in Sri Lanka
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Hoof Hearted 28 Jan 17 11.02am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

We are all both the guard at the prison camp and the prisoner.

Very true jamie.

I would add one more atrocity to the list.... the slaughter and persecution of the Tamils in Sri Lanka

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moylerg Cofton Hackett, Worcestershire 28 Jan 17 11.07am
Originally posted by Kermit8 We wiped out Tasmanian aboriginals too and the Jews of York - lest we forget. rip That was more about the greed of money lending historically was it not?. Most certainly not European.
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moylerg

Cofton Hackett, Worcestershire 28 Jan 17 11.07am

Originally posted by Kermit8

We wiped out Tasmanian aboriginals too and the Jews of York - lest we forget.

rip

That was more about the greed of money lending historically was it not?.

Most certainly not European.

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legaleagle 28 Jan 17 11.13am
Originally posted by Bert the Head Hrolf the Ganger and Kermit you are right - lets get our own memorial going 5.93 million jews 2-3 million Soviet POWs 1.8-2 million ethnic poles 300,000 500,000 poles 270,000 disabled people 90,000-220,000 Romani Gypsies 5,000-15,000 homosexuals 2,500-5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses 7,000 Spanish Republicans All slaughtered by Fascism. Tasmanian aboriginals The Murder of Jews in York � (1190ad) Native Americans wiped out by immigrants to America; The Cambodian killed by the Khmer Rouge (who were then, after the Vietnamese stepped in to rescue then, supported by the UK and the USA to kill even more Cambodians; The victims of Stalin, The victims of Suharto in Indonesia, Pinochet in Chile Palestinians murdered in 1948 when the Israeli settlers drove the more fortunate Palestinians from their homes. The last is a slow burning genocide; But slowly, slowly the state if Israel is getting there. Be very careful about casually bandying about the word 'genocide".It devalues something particularly grotesque. The holocaust against Jews and Roma? Genocide The Spanish against indigenous peoples in Central and South America:Genocide Us/America against the indigenous peoples of N America:Genocide. Us in Australia and Tasmania:Genocide The fascist Croatian regime against Serbs and Jews 1941-45:Genocide. Franco, Pinochet,Israel,Indonesia, China in Tibet...brutal oppression,sure..but genocide no. Edited by legaleagle (28 Jan 2017 11.15am)
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legaleagle

28 Jan 17 11.13am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

Hrolf the Ganger and Kermit you are right - lets get our own memorial going

All slaughtered by Fascism.

Tasmanian aboriginals
The Murder of Jews in York � (1190ad)
Native Americans wiped out by immigrants to America;
The Cambodian killed by the Khmer Rouge (who were then, after the Vietnamese stepped in to rescue then, supported by the UK and the USA to kill even more Cambodians;
The victims of Stalin,
The victims of Suharto in Indonesia,
Pinochet in Chile
Palestinians murdered in 1948 when the Israeli settlers drove the more fortunate Palestinians from their homes. The last is a slow burning genocide; But slowly, slowly the state if Israel is getting there.

Be very careful about casually bandying about the word 'genocide".It devalues something particularly grotesque.

The holocaust against Jews and Roma? Genocide

The Spanish against indigenous peoples in Central and South America:Genocide

Us/America against the indigenous peoples of N America:Genocide.

Us in Australia and Tasmania:Genocide

The fascist Croatian regime against Serbs and Jews 1941-45:Genocide.

Franco, Pinochet,Israel,Indonesia, China in Tibet...brutal oppression,sure..but genocide no.

Edited by legaleagle (28 Jan 2017 11.15am)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Jan 17 11.18am
Originally posted by Bert the Head Hrolf the Ganger and Kermit you are right - lets get our own memorial going 5.93 million jews 2-3 million Soviet POWs 1.8-2 million ethnic poles 300,000 500,000 poles 270,000 disabled people 90,000-220,000 Romani Gypsies 5,000-15,000 homosexuals 2,500-5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses 7,000 Spanish Republicans All slaughtered by Fascism. Tasmanian aboriginals The Murder of Jews in York � (1190ad) Native Americans wiped out by immigrants to America; The Cambodian killed by the Khmer Rouge (who were then, after the Vietnamese stepped in to rescue then, supported by the UK and the USA to kill even more Cambodians; The victims of Stalin, The victims of Suharto in Indonesia, Pinochet in Chile The Armenian Genocide The Christian minorities being slaughtered (2013-?) Palestinians murdered in 1948 when the Israeli settlers drove the more fortunate Palestinians from their homes. The last is a slow burning genocide; But slowly, slowly the state if Israel is getting there. Mao Tse-tung , Communist hero still honoured in China and revered by sections of the left, was responsible for 50-75 million deaths - about 5 times the number you list killed by the Fascists. Both ideologies are evil and need to be fought. It doesn't help that the left somehow think that death by Fascism is more reprehensible than death by Communism. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 28 Jan 17 11.18am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

Hrolf the Ganger and Kermit you are right - lets get our own memorial going

All slaughtered by Fascism.

Mao Tse-tung , Communist hero still honoured in China and revered by sections of the left, was responsible for 50-75 million deaths - about 5 times the number you list killed by the Fascists. Both ideologies are evil and need to be fought. It doesn't help that the left somehow think that death by Fascism is more reprehensible than death by Communism.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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legaleagle 28 Jan 17 11.20am
and vice versa
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legaleagle

28 Jan 17 11.20am

and vice versa

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Hoof Hearted 28 Jan 17 11.25am
Chaps.... stop bickering... as I said earlier it doesn't matter who or what is/was responsible. Sadly it is in our nature, as it is in animals and plants. We are no different to the grey/red squirrels or the oak/beech trees.... we all want our genes to be the dominant ones.
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Hoof Hearted 28 Jan 17 11.25am

Chaps.... stop bickering... as I said earlier it doesn't matter who or what is/was responsible.

Sadly it is in our nature, as it is in animals and plants.

We are no different to the grey/red squirrels or the oak/beech trees.... we all want our genes to be the dominant ones.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jan 17 11.30am
Let's remember the dead of all genocide, and specifically those of the concentration camps in WW2 as well as Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur which holocaust memorial day was set up to represent. Shame some need to make it left v right when all you need is evil. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jan 17 11.30am

Let's remember the dead of all genocide, and specifically those of the concentration camps in WW2 as well as Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur which holocaust memorial day was set up to represent.

Shame some need to make it left v right when all you need is evil.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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