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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 27 May 19 5.13pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

Me too, it would be the funniest turn of events at the club yet!


And not going to happen of course, plus also not as funny as us not having a date to even start the work on our new stand or, it would appear the funds to pay for it. I wonder if Parish has already put it in the same box file as "plans for new stadium at CPP"?

 


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View MikeCrete's Profile MikeCrete Flag Cheam/Crete 28 May 19 4.54pm Send a Private Message to MikeCrete Add MikeCrete as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

Me too, it would be the funniest turn of events at the club yet!

They will.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 28 May 19 5.41pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardos barber

You don't need permission to do what Wolves are doing. It is safe standing by proxy and a great move.

Similarly it is perfectly legal to allow your fans to stand at matches, as Palace do. Different rules at different grounds, presumably in consultation with local authorities.

The ground regulations of a club (including the ban on persistent standing) form a contract between the supporter and the club. Entering the stadium is a tacit agreement to accept the ground regulations.
By standing, the supporter is in breach of that contract and this is a civil and not a criminal matter accordingly it is not illegal to stand in all-seater grounds.

There are of course safety concerns about supporters standing in seated areas and of course as has been well documented on HOL the focus of my ire concerns supporters standing and obscuring the view of those who have paid hard earned money for their seat and wish to sit and view the game.

Edited by Willo (28 May 2019 5.48pm)

 

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View Palace in the Blood's Profile Palace in the Blood Flag 28 May 19 11.12pm Send a Private Message to Palace in the Blood Add Palace in the Blood as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

The ground regulations of a club (including the ban on persistent standing) form a contract between the supporter and the club. Entering the stadium is a tacit agreement to accept the ground regulations.
By standing, the supporter is in breach of that contract and this is a civil and not a criminal matter accordingly it is not illegal to stand in all-seater grounds.

There are of course safety concerns about supporters standing in seated areas and of course as has been well documented on HOL the focus of my ire concerns supporters standing and obscuring the view of those who have paid hard earned money for their seat and wish to sit and view the game.

Edited by Willo (28 May 2019 5.48pm)

If all the requirements with respect to football matches were just civil then you would be right. But your not otherwise the criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough could not have taken place. Look at requirements on connivance and neglect under HASWA and the changes to corporate manslaughter as a result primarily of the Herald of Free Enterprise. These are criminal charges. In short the act of allowing people to persistently stand can be used as proof that safety of people present at the event has not been adequately safeguarded

 

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Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

If all the requirements with respect to football matches were just civil then you would be right. But your not otherwise the criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough could not have taken place. Look at requirements on connivance and neglect under HASWA and the changes to corporate manslaughter as a result primarily of the Herald of Free Enterprise. These are criminal charges. In short the act of allowing people to persistently stand can be used as proof that safety of people present at the event has not been adequately safeguarded

What a bunch of snowflakes this country has become.
Bring back the terraces with crush barriers.

 

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View PA's Profile PA Flag Bedfordshire 29 May 19 7.29am Send a Private Message to PA Add PA as a friend

Is the new stand ever going to happen. Itís looking less and less likely with every day of silence.

Itíll be a travesty when we eventually go back down with nothing to show for our fortunes in the PL except memories (good and bad ) and some wealthy players and owners.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 May 19 8.01am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

If all the requirements with respect to football matches were just civil then you would be right. But your not otherwise the criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough could not have taken place. Look at requirements on connivance and neglect under HASWA and the changes to corporate manslaughter as a result primarily of the Herald of Free Enterprise. These are criminal charges. In short the act of allowing people to persistently stand can be used as proof that safety of people present at the event has not been adequately safeguarded

With respect, the issue of Hillsborough goes beyond what I asserted in relation to standing in seated areas.My focus was on the latter and I was not suggesting that all incidents at football stadia are a matter of civil rather than criminal law.


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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 02 Jun 19 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave


And not going to happen of course, plus also not as funny as us not having a date to even start the work on our new stand or, it would appear the funds to pay for it. I wonder if Parish has already put it in the same box file as "plans for new stadium at CPP"?

The silence is deafening on this front, our American owners might have something to say on this matter?

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 02 Jun 19 12.47pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

The silence is deafening on this front, our American owners might have something to say on this matter?


A possible reason that the two US investors aren't saying anything/apparently wouldn't be adverse to selling their shares may be because they're excatly that, investors, looking for a return.

The club has lost not inconsiderable, sums in the 2017/18 accounting period and may well have lost even more in 2018/19. Their promise of £50m towards the new stand is probably starting to look like small potatoes compared to how much it will cost to keep us solvent.

At present I'd say the only way anything is going to get built is if we make some big money on sales and reduce the wages bill. That presupposes, of course, that we can replace sold players without spending all of the monies received and their wages are less.

Unless the US can/do sell their shares to a more benevolent owner(s), with cash, who see infrastructure investment as a long-term benefit and aren't looking for a quick profit; unfortunately the world is somewhat thin on Tony Bloom's

 


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View kenbarr's Profile kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 02 Jun 19 1.14pm Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

Financial considerations aside, building a new Stand is Capital Construction while player wages and transfer fees are Operation Expense. These are two separate budgets that are not co-mingled. I would think the new stand will be financed by a type of mortgage to some degree.

Letís look at the experience of AFC Wimbledon, Charlton Athletic & Brighton & Hove Albion. Two built or are building new, one rebuilt existing. All three have been subjected to a lengthy planning process that was stalled several times by outside factors. IMHO what is needed now is patience & vigilance. I suspect there may be pressure groups lying in the weeds for us that will demand their pound of flesh. Ainít politics grand!?

 


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Originally posted by kenbarr

Financial considerations aside, building a new Stand is Capital Construction while player wages and transfer fees are Operation Expense. These are two separate budgets that are not co-mingled. I would think the new stand will be financed by a type of mortgage to some degree.

Letís look at the experience of AFC Wimbledon, Charlton Athletic & Brighton & Hove Albion. Two built or are building new, one rebuilt existing. All three have been subjected to a lengthy planning process that was stalled several times by outside factors. IMHO what is needed now is patience & vigilance. I suspect there may be pressure groups lying in the weeds for us that will demand their pound of flesh. Ainít politics grand!?

I have the same feeling step forward TFL and the Mayor of London. Did you know his dad drove a bus? (Sarcastic tone).

 


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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 02 Jun 19 3.40pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by kenbarr

Financial considerations aside, building a new Stand is Capital Construction while player wages and transfer fees are Operation Expense. These are two separate budgets that are not co-mingled. I would think the new stand will be financed by a type of mortgage to some degree.

Letís look at the experience of AFC Wimbledon, Charlton Athletic & Brighton & Hove Albion. Two built or are building new, one rebuilt existing. All three have been subjected to a lengthy planning process that was stalled several times by outside factors. IMHO what is needed now is patience & vigilance. I suspect there may be pressure groups lying in the weeds for us that will demand their pound of flesh. Ainít politics grand!?

But at the end of the day Ken, If you own it and it's losing money, or you want to make costly improvements, the money still has to come out of your pocket; it matters not what you call it. As the US investors were only offering half the projected cost of the new stand, it's obvious that the intention was/is to seek additional funding elsewhere.

And I'm sorry, but I don't by the "poor little Palace being ripped off by all these nasty people" one bit. We knew that we were going to be required to contribute to the public infrastructure improvements and if we didn't want to have to buy back land from Sainsbury's we shouldn't have sold it to them in the first place. And if we'd come up with a more modest, yet practical, scheme for a new stand, rather than a massive vanity project, we wouldn't have had to provide alternative properties for the ones that now need to be demolished.

We are sailing very close to an FFP breach and I'm not sure how long we can afford to be "patient and vigilant". We either increase our income, which was the intention of the proposed infrastructure improvements, or we sell some of our expensive and well paid assets and replace them with something cheaper.

 


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