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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Feb 17 10.51am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You're alright in Devon, Jack.

You mean leaving to help free up some of the housing stock in over-crowded London? My pleasure.

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Feb 17 10.56am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Nicola Sturgeon loves immigration and wants to continue in the EU with all of it's freedom of movement of labour.

As there is more spare land available in Scotland than anywhere else in Britain why not build a few new towns in Scotland to spare what little remains of our green belt

Huge chunks of Scotland is owned by the lairds/landed gentry and have been for centuries, don't you know? The plebs wouldn't be allowed anywhere near. National parks also.

The idea is a good one though IF they had jobs and infrastructure to offer.

 


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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 03 Feb 17 10.57am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

We have the lowest productivity levels in Europe. Immigration would help boost this and keep our economy afloat. But instead people moan about having any immigration at all, and the morons in power cave in. But then to keep the economy going they have to find another route. So they promise to lower corporation tax, effectively leaving us as a tax haven for the super rich, something none of us voted for. This means less regulation for big business, such as propert developers, who therefore can build on green belt land more essily.

You can choose to blame migrants for everything, but this is the consequence. You just let those in power off the hook.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 03 Feb 17 11.25am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

to keep the economy going they have to find another route. So they promise to lower corporation tax, effectively leaving us as a tax haven for the super rich, something none of us voted for. This means less regulation for big business, such as propert developers, who therefore can build on green belt land more essily.

Where do you get your ideas from?

The government have been gradually reducing Corporation Tax for quite a while which is a good way of promoting further investment and I can't see any correlation between the level of taxes that companies will pay and allowing property developers to build on green belt land

 

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Hoof Hearted 03 Feb 17 11.32am

Originally posted by serial thriller

We have the lowest productivity levels in Europe. Immigration would help boost this and keep our economy afloat. But instead people moan about having any immigration at all, and the morons in power cave in. But then to keep the economy going they have to find another route. So they promise to lower corporation tax, effectively leaving us as a tax haven for the super rich, something none of us voted for. This means less regulation for big business, such as propert developers, who therefore can build on green belt land more essily.

You can choose to blame migrants for everything, but this is the consequence. You just let those in power off the hook.

Why don't you stop banging on about the economy and open your eyes and look around you.

Our once green and pleasant land is now a concrete jungle and massive car park polluting the atmosphere and killing off swathes of trees, plants and animals that contribute to the well being of our planet.

There are too many people living on our tiny island already, we don't need any more.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Feb 17 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

If immigration were 100% halted tomorrow our population will still be around 70mill in twenty years time. Do try to look at the bigger picture. Births/death rations.

I can't think of a better argument to cut it to a trickle immediately.
The damage being done to our future is happening now.
We need to find ways to support the old and maintain our health service without flooding the country with immigrants or we will only have a far worse set of crises in the future that will make the current ones look like a picnic.

 

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.TUX. Flag 03 Feb 17 12.06pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Where do you get your ideas from?

The government have been gradually reducing Corporation Tax for quite a while which is a good way of promoting further investment and I can't see any correlation between the level of taxes that companies will pay and allowing property developers to build on green belt land

If only.
As we have seen since the late 70's/early 80's, it has far more to do with profit than investment.

As for the green-belt, it was going to happen one day.


 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Feb 17 12.14pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Why don't you stop banging on about the economy and open your eyes and look around you.

Our once green and pleasant land is now a concrete jungle and massive car park polluting the atmosphere and killing
off swathes of trees, plants and animals that contribute to the well being of our planet.

There are too many people living on our tiny island already, we don't need any more.

How much UK land is built on? 2.27% in 2012
I think you are exaggerating Hoof. I've told you a million times about exaggerating.

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 03 Feb 17 12.15pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It begins.

This is why the endless mass immigration is a disaster for this country.
Green Belt is about to be slowly eroded for new housing. This is the slippery slope where we say goodbye to this green and pleasant land to make room for out rapidly growing immigrant population.

Your great grand children will ask their parents what a field used to look like.

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Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Feb 2017 10.40pm)

A bit of a dramatic post.

Were you aware that 93% of the UK is urban, that means not built on by houses, factories roads etc.

So you should be able to find a green field, there is a lot of them about.

 

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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 03 Feb 17 10.35pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by becky

At the planning stage, when the number of properties in the development have been reduced to a 'reasonable' level (they always start with an unsustainable number) there will be provision for say 20% affordable housing, which often takes the form of the local social housing group providing building materials (double glazing, wood flooring) etc. as the subsidy.

The reality was that suddenly the builder couldn't afford 20% social so applied to vary the planning permission to 12%, with the threat of pulling out unless this was granted. It was! In one case the Parish council refused and the developer went into admin. When the site was finally sold on, partially built, the new developer demanded a further reduction, and got it - the alternative was more years of a half-built eyesore in the middle of a lovely village. So, in the end, 28 affordable homes became 12 affordable homes of which 6 have actually materialised (allegedly)



Literally the story countrywide.

The councils are a disgrace for allowing it on the basis that it brings a few temporary jobs, some unnecessary facilities like a gym which there are already plenty of and of course council tax.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 03 Feb 17 10.47pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by becky

I've seen some fine examples of this out here in the countryside, where local authorities are forced to meet Government quotas for new builds, whether or not we need them. Usually, in these cases, using former agricultural land - so still fields going under.

At the planning stage, when the number of properties in the development have been reduced to a 'reasonable' level (they always start with an unsustainable number) there will be provision for say 20% affordable housing, which often takes the form of the local social housing group providing building materials (double glazing, wood flooring) etc. as the subsidy.

The reality was that suddenly the builder couldn't afford 20% social so applied to vary the planning permission to 12%, with the threat of pulling out unless this was granted. It was! In one case the Parish council refused and the developer went into admin. When the site was finally sold on, partially built, the new developer demanded a further reduction, and got it - the alternative was more years of a half-built eyesore in the middle of a lovely village. So, in the end, 28 affordable homes became 12 affordable homes of which 6 have actually materialised (allegedly)

I understand from my local District Councillor that this is being repeated on every site all over South Somerset.

So, promises of affordable don't always materialise and since there is no restriction on re-sale, as soon as they are sold they are lost to the 'affordable' housing supply and become just another home to be profiteered from.

It would make far more sense to build to rent, with no right to buy option on social housing, at a controlled rent so that tenants have the possibility to save for their own place in their own time - or not as they choose or are able.

.....and use all the possible brownfield sites before you start on greenbelt cos' once it's gone it will never come back.

Becky, I love you.

You started by opening a can of worms regarding development.
However, it is my job to assess brownfield sites and leave them in an appropriate condition for development.

I could go into lots of detail
Trouble is,...no-one gives a 5hlt

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Feb 17 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

How much UK land is built on? 2.27% in 2012
I think you are exaggerating Hoof. I've told you a million times about exaggerating.

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Edited by nickgusset (03 Feb 2017 12.14pm)

And at what point will enough be enough?
When will roads be too gridlocked, hospitals too full,food water and electricity in too short supply,too few jobs and the countryside too eroded?

It seems your philosophy has no limits on population growth.

 

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