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Midlands Eagle 07 Feb 17 7.27am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle not suprised the players dont want to play for him. hes a crooked busted flush more interested in taking bungs nowadays than his career It's a shame that so many so called fans just post nothing but rubbish on this site safe in the knowledge that their cowardly rants are anonymous
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07 Feb 17 7.27am

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Originally posted by braunstoneagle

not suprised the players dont want to play for him.

hes a crooked busted flush

more interested in taking bungs nowadays than his career

It's a shame that so many so called fans just post nothing but rubbish on this site safe in the knowledge that their cowardly rants are anonymous

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chateauferret 07 Feb 17 8.20am
Sam summoned all the players to a special 7am training/bollocking session on Sunday morning which presumably means he was going to work at that time to try to sort things out. I don't know anyone who willingly gets out of bed at sparrow's fart on what would normally be a day off if they don't give a f***. ============ The Ferret ============
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07 Feb 17 8.20am

Sam summoned all the players to a special 7am training/bollocking session on Sunday morning which presumably means he was going to work at that time to try to sort things out.

I don't know anyone who willingly gets out of bed at sparrow's fart on what would normally be a day off if they don't give a f***.

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palace72 coulsdon 07 Feb 17 8.26am
The players have come in every sunday under bfs,think the only reason it was 7am was because he wanted to allow time to watch a rerun off the game with the players
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coulsdon 07 Feb 17 8.26am

The players have come in every sunday under bfs,think the only reason it was 7am was because he wanted to allow time to watch a rerun off the game with the players

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 07 Feb 17 8.31am
Originally posted by NEILLO How about this for a theory. They don't play for '' the man ''. They play for the club. For the fans. Oh, and of course the money. Not wanting to play for SA had nothing to do with WH dropping the ball. Or the defence failing to close players down shooting from range. Or for the schoolboy like defending against Defoe. I very much doubt that any of this shower are taking any moral high ground over what happened with SA and the England job. If they are that sensitive they should donate last Saturday's appearance money to charity. There is no onfield leadership. Its been missing since Pardew dropped Jedi. Everybody needs to wake up to the fact that Allardyce was the obvious candidate for the job. If you can't buy into it then point the finger at Steve Parish - he appointed him. It isn't that simple. It's not necessarily a case of not wanting to and downing tools, more a case of for want of a better way of putting it, lack of trust. They will or try to, do what the manager wants but if they don't have confidence or belief in the manager, it would not work. The difference between success and failure is a matter of a few % On Saturday we will have a better idea of whether Sunderland was an anomaly or not. We had started to look better and of course had the win at Bournemouth. If he isn't quite "on it" maybe Sunderland is the kick both Allardyce and his team needed. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 07 Feb 17 8.31am

Originally posted by NEILLO

How about this for a theory.

They don't play for '' the man ''.

They play for the club. For the fans. Oh, and of course the money.

Not wanting to play for SA had nothing to do with WH dropping the ball. Or the defence failing to close players down shooting from range. Or for the schoolboy like defending against Defoe.

I very much doubt that any of this shower are taking any moral high ground over what happened with SA and the England job. If they are that sensitive they should donate last Saturday's appearance money to charity.

There is no onfield leadership. Its been missing since Pardew dropped Jedi.

Everybody needs to wake up to the fact that Allardyce was the obvious candidate for the job.

If you can't buy into it then point the finger at Steve Parish - he appointed him.

It isn't that simple. It's not necessarily a case of not wanting to and downing tools, more a case of for want of a better way of putting it, lack of trust. They will or try to, do what the manager wants but if they don't have confidence or belief in the manager, it would not work. The difference between success and failure is a matter of a few %

On Saturday we will have a better idea of whether Sunderland was an anomaly or not. We had started to look better and of course had the win at Bournemouth. If he isn't quite "on it" maybe Sunderland is the kick both Allardyce and his team needed.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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AshfordEagle94 Canterbury 07 Feb 17 10.02am
Originally posted by songsta This is where you may find it hard to comprehend but the exact examples you point out are in fact the direct results of not wanting to play for SA This is where you may find it hard to comprehend but all the examples he listed, also happened under Pardew so by acknowledging that as proof they don't want to play for SA would therefore suggest they didn't want to play for Pardew.
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Originally posted by songsta

This is where you may find it hard to comprehend but the exact examples you point out are in fact the direct results of not wanting to play for SA

This is where you may find it hard to comprehend but all the examples he listed, also happened under Pardew so by acknowledging that as proof they don't want to play for SA would therefore suggest they didn't want to play for Pardew.

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dynamicdick Dormansland 07 Feb 17 10.07am
Originally posted by AshfordEagle94 This is where you may find it hard to comprehend but all the examples he listed, also happened under Pardew so by acknowledging that as proof they don't want to play for SA would therefore suggest they didn't want to play for Pardew. Spot on! Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 07 Feb 17 10.07am

Originally posted by AshfordEagle94

Spot on!

Bring back Brolin

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Midlands Eagle 07 Feb 17 10.22am
Originally posted by AshfordEagle94 This is where you may find it hard to comprehend but all the examples he listed, also happened under Pardew so by acknowledging that as proof they don't want to play for SA would therefore suggest they didn't want to play for Pardew. Or by association Steve Parish, Crystal Palace Football Club or even the fanbase
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Midlands Eagle

07 Feb 17 10.22am

Originally posted by AshfordEagle94

Or by association Steve Parish, Crystal Palace Football Club or even the fanbase

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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 07 Feb 17 10.45am
Originally posted by songsta No with Alan they wanted to succeed and please him as they liked him, tactical on field issues were the case with him. There is a marked difference in players body language now which can be clearly seen. Sorry mate but you are talking s***e. They looked up for it against Bournmouth. We were doing ok until Wayne flapped then they fell apart for 5 minutes.
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Carparks in South East London 07 Feb 17 10.45am

Originally posted by songsta

No with Alan they wanted to succeed and please him as they liked him, tactical on field issues were the case with him.
There is a marked difference in players body language now which can be clearly seen.

Sorry mate but you are talking s***e.
They looked up for it against Bournmouth. We were doing ok until Wayne flapped then they fell apart for 5 minutes.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 07 Feb 17 10.45am
I don't believe any of them are playing poorly deliberately at all. It's the almost 14 months of PL failure, which has been worse at home than away, that is paralysing the decision making processes. They've seen one error lead to disaster so many times now that it's become self-fulfilling. All the confidence has been drained, and they now play with fear, where if there's one mistake any plan goes out of the window and panic sets in. It's a very difficult mindset to change and I doubt Sam has ever faced a situation quite like it. If he can get all the new players into the team, and they can hit the ground running, that may have an influence on the rest of them; well at least let's hope so! Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 07 Feb 17 10.45am

I don't believe any of them are playing poorly deliberately at all. It's the almost 14 months of PL failure, which has been worse at home than away, that is paralysing the decision making processes. They've seen one error lead to disaster so many times now that it's become self-fulfilling. All the confidence has been drained, and they now play with fear, where if there's one mistake any plan goes out of the window and panic sets in. It's a very difficult mindset to change and I doubt Sam has ever faced a situation quite like it. If he can get all the new players into the team, and they can hit the ground running, that may have an influence on the rest of them; well at least let's hope so!

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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songsta New Addington 07 Feb 17 12.36pm
Originally posted by AshfordEagle94 This is where you may find it hard to comprehend but all the examples he listed, also happened under Pardew so by acknowledging that as proof they don't want to play for SA would therefore suggest they didn't want to play for Pardew. The team did not capitulate like they did on Saturday under Alan without scoring at the other end at least and not once did the crowd sing 'your not fit to wear the shirt' under him also. The fact of the matter is they did sing it Saturday for a reason as they could see with there own eyes the players demeanour, There will be and always is a starting point a defeatist attitude and a reaction to crisis will be reflected with the will of the individual to change things if not for himself then the focal point of his authority ie like a child to a parent or a teacher or a employee to his boss OR a football player to to the one person that can literally change his life OR more importantly the other way round ie the Manager, now why would anyone want to do that ?
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New Addington 07 Feb 17 12.36pm

Originally posted by AshfordEagle94

The team did not capitulate like they did on Saturday under Alan without scoring at the other end at least and not once did the crowd sing 'your not fit to wear the shirt' under him also.
The fact of the matter is they did sing it Saturday for a reason as they could see with there own eyes the players demeanour, There will be and always is a starting point a defeatist attitude and a reaction to crisis will be reflected with the will of the individual to change things if not for himself then the focal point of his authority ie like a child to a parent or a teacher or a employee to his boss OR a football player to to the one person that can literally change his life OR more importantly the other way round ie the Manager, now why would anyone want to do that ?

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Hoof Hearted 07 Feb 17 12.39pm
Thank you for entertaining us with your rapier wit OP... Keep 'em coming!
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Hoof Hearted 07 Feb 17 12.39pm

Thank you for entertaining us with your rapier wit OP...

Keep 'em coming!

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AshfordEagle94 Canterbury 07 Feb 17 2.08pm
Originally posted by songsta The team did not capitulate like they did on Saturday under Alan without scoring at the other end at least and not once did the crowd sing 'your not fit to wear the shirt' under him also. The fact of the matter is they did sing it Saturday for a reason as they could see with there own eyes the players demeanour, There will be and always is a starting point a defeatist attitude and a reaction to crisis will be reflected with the will of the individual to change things if not for himself then the focal point of his authority ie like a child to a parent or a teacher or a employee to his boss OR a football player to to the one person that can literally change his life OR more importantly the other way round ie the Manager, now why would anyone want to do that ? Again singing that was more a result of the past almost year and a half of results, majority of which were under Pardew. It was just pent up aggravation. If we were safe and the same result happened, would the crowd reaction have been the same... probably not?
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Canterbury 07 Feb 17 2.08pm

Originally posted by songsta

Again singing that was more a result of the past almost year and a half of results, majority of which were under Pardew. It was just pent up aggravation. If we were safe and the same result happened, would the crowd reaction have been the same... probably not?

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