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Username Horsham 07 Feb 17 4.33pm
Originally posted by Mad4palace Pardew was at fault for trying to fit Jedinak into the same kind of system we played with Puncheon, McArthur and Cabaye in midfield. He didn't let Jedinak just sit in front of the back 4 and do what he's best at. Despite all that I still thought Jedinak was good for the Cup semi and final and our best player in the opening day defeat to West Brom this season. Jedinak has always taken a while to get back up to speed, he did when he first joined us, didn't impress for a while at Villa but has started doing well for them recently. I agree, looking back to player that have gone won't help us but sometimes it just feels good to say and identify where the problems began. I don't want Jedinak's last season to be remembered as being one where he was passed it because I don't believe he was, just our manager at the time lacked the intelligence to use him properly. We could have moved on from Jedinak easily IMO if: a) we'd signed a better replacement (which we hopefully now have). Someone who could screen the defence and actually pass and be more mobile b) Flamini had actually been fit and able to play. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 07 Feb 17 4.33pm

Originally posted by Mad4palace

Pardew was at fault for trying to fit Jedinak into the same kind of system we played with Puncheon, McArthur and Cabaye in midfield. He didn't let Jedinak just sit in front of the back 4 and do what he's best at. Despite all that I still thought Jedinak was good for the Cup semi and final and our best player in the opening day defeat to West Brom this season. Jedinak has always taken a while to get back up to speed, he did when he first joined us, didn't impress for a while at Villa but has started doing well for them recently.

I agree, looking back to player that have gone won't help us but sometimes it just feels good to say and identify where the problems began. I don't want Jedinak's last season to be remembered as being one where he was passed it because I don't believe he was, just our manager at the time lacked the intelligence to use him properly.

We could have moved on from Jedinak easily IMO if:

a) we'd signed a better replacement (which we hopefully now have). Someone who could screen the defence and actually pass and be more mobile

b) Flamini had actually been fit and able to play.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Mad4palace 07 Feb 17 5.38pm
Originally posted by Username We could have moved on from Jedinak easily IMO if: a) we'd signed a better replacement (which we hopefully now have). Someone who could screen the defence and actually pass and be more mobile b) Flamini had actually been fit and able to play. I agree we quite easily could have replaced him but we didn't. It's Parish's fault for sanctioning the transfer without a replacement ready, IMO he should have had the foresight to see that Pardew's poor form of last season could continue to this season and he might just have had to give Pard's the sack at some point, so SP should have held off selling one of the greatest captains this clubs ever had. If Pardew wanted Jedinak out of the club so badly then Parish could have allowed for a loan. Flamini had barely played for 2 years so it was always going to be a risk on his fitness.
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07 Feb 17 5.38pm

Originally posted by Username

We could have moved on from Jedinak easily IMO if:

a) we'd signed a better replacement (which we hopefully now have). Someone who could screen the defence and actually pass and be more mobile

b) Flamini had actually been fit and able to play.

I agree we quite easily could have replaced him but we didn't.

It's Parish's fault for sanctioning the transfer without a replacement ready, IMO he should have had the foresight to see that Pardew's poor form of last season could continue to this season and he might just have had to give Pard's the sack at some point, so SP should have held off selling one of the greatest captains this clubs ever had. If Pardew wanted Jedinak out of the club so badly then Parish could have allowed for a loan.

Flamini had barely played for 2 years so it was always going to be a risk on his fitness.

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Croydonlad sydenham 07 Feb 17 9.43pm
Originally posted by becky Another one to add to that list, in my opinion, would be Yannik Bolasie - we haven't had the same excitement going forward since he went. Was there anything more fun to watch than him and Wilf changing sides and totally bewildering the opposition? They bewilder themselves more than the opposition Hence we have struggled every year in the prem
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sydenham 07 Feb 17 9.43pm

Originally posted by becky

Another one to add to that list, in my opinion, would be Yannik Bolasie - we haven't had the same excitement going forward since he went.

Was there anything more fun to watch than him and Wilf changing sides and totally bewildering the opposition?

They bewilder themselves more than the opposition
Hence we have struggled every year in the prem

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Keeley97 07 Feb 17 10.14pm
We miss them both massively. They both just worked so well for us. You seem team like Stoke and West Brom keep their old guard (Whelan, Adam, Crouch, Morrison, Brunt) despite the fact they're not the most fashionable players. Grass not always greener. We're getting relegated and they're not.
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07 Feb 17 10.14pm

We miss them both massively. They both just worked so well for us. You seem team like Stoke and West Brom keep their old guard (Whelan, Adam, Crouch, Morrison, Brunt) despite the fact they're not the most fashionable players. Grass not always greener. We're getting relegated and they're not.

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Painter Croydon 07 Feb 17 10.31pm
Originally posted by Keeley97 We miss them both massively. They both just worked so well for us. You seem team like Stoke and West Brom keep their old guard (Whelan, Adam, Crouch, Morrison, Brunt) despite the fact they're not the most fashionable players. Grass not always greener. We're getting relegated and they're not. If Jedinak and Murray are still such awesome players, that we allowed to be sold, why did no other Premier team want them? They are now playing in Championship, which to be fair is now their level. This obsession with old players on here is amusing. They did well for us, no doubt, but times move on. They were well paid for their services. To compare Crouch with Murray is laughable, Crouch has been on the sidelines at Stoke for about a year, kept his head down and supported his team, now got recalled. If I recall Murray threw his toys out of the Priam, when told he wasn't an automatic start and wanted away. Edited by Painter (07 Feb 2017 10.32pm)
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Croydon 07 Feb 17 10.31pm

Originally posted by Keeley97

If Jedinak and Murray are still such awesome players, that we allowed to be sold, why did no other Premier team want them?
They are now playing in Championship, which to be fair is now their level.
This obsession with old players on here is amusing. They did well for us, no doubt, but times move on. They were well paid for their services.
To compare Crouch with Murray is laughable, Crouch has been on the sidelines at Stoke for about a year, kept his head down and supported his team, now got recalled. If I recall Murray threw his toys out of the Priam, when told he wasn't an automatic start and wanted away.

Edited by Painter (07 Feb 2017 10.32pm)

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harpmj Lancaster 07 Feb 17 10.46pm
Pardew managed to ruin a decent defence - pretty much the same defence that learnt how to do it properly under Pulis. Selling Murray was a huge mistake, he and Gayle worked so well together. Now we've just got a big guy in the box to lob them up to and hope he gets his head on it. 15 goals a season from a 32 million player isn't going to be enough if we're leaking goals at the other end. Shudve kept hold of Bolasie.......
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Lancaster 07 Feb 17 10.46pm

Pardew managed to ruin a decent defence - pretty much the same defence that learnt how to do it properly under Pulis. Selling Murray was a huge mistake, he and Gayle worked so well together. Now we've just got a big guy in the box to lob them up to and hope he gets his head on it. 15 goals a season from a 32 million player isn't going to be enough if we're leaking goals at the other end. Shudve kept hold of Bolasie.......

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tonymikejoe UK 08 Feb 17 12.31am
If it is a choice between Jedi and Pardew then I choose number 15 all day long.
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UK 08 Feb 17 12.31am

If it is a choice between Jedi and Pardew then I choose number 15 all day long.

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Croydonlad sydenham 08 Feb 17 4.13am
Originally posted by Painter If Jedinak and Murray are still such awesome players, that we allowed to be sold, why did no other Premier team want them? They are now playing in Championship, which to be fair is now their level. This obsession with old players on here is amusing. They did well for us, no doubt, but times move on. They were well paid for their services. To compare Crouch with Murray is laughable, Crouch has been on the sidelines at Stoke for about a year, kept his head down and supported his team, now got recalled. If I recall Murray threw his toys out of the Priam, when told he wasn't an automatic start and wanted away. Edited by Painter (07 Feb 2017 10.32pm) Add to that Crouch has scored 100 Premier League goals And Murray has er ? ~ Ill get my coat
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sydenham 08 Feb 17 4.13am

Originally posted by Painter

If Jedinak and Murray are still such awesome players, that we allowed to be sold, why did no other Premier team want them?
They are now playing in Championship, which to be fair is now their level.
This obsession with old players on here is amusing. They did well for us, no doubt, but times move on. They were well paid for their services.
To compare Crouch with Murray is laughable, Crouch has been on the sidelines at Stoke for about a year, kept his head down and supported his team, now got recalled. If I recall Murray threw his toys out of the Priam, when told he wasn't an automatic start and wanted away.

Edited by Painter (07 Feb 2017 10.32pm)

Add to that Crouch has scored 100 Premier League goals
And Murray has er ? ~ Ill get my coat

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Jamesrichards8 08 Feb 17 4.55am
Originally posted by harpmj Pardew managed to ruin a decent defence - pretty much the same defence that learnt how to do it properly under Pulis. Selling Murray was a huge mistake, he and Gayle worked so well together. Now we've just got a big guy in the box to lob them up to and hope he gets his head on it. 15 goals a season from a 32 million player isn't going to be enough if we're leaking goals at the other end. Shudve kept hold of Bolasie....... everyone is forgetting that things were as bad under neil warnock as they are now under allardyce in my opinion. we had jedi, murray, delaney, speroni, mccarthy even behind the scenes. but we were stil crap- i believe that these 'driving forces' are overrated and their absence is not why we're poor. maybe the players that have substituted them are not willing to fight to turn the season around, but i don't think jedinak was the lucky gem that some suggest Edited by Jamesrichards8 (08 Feb 2017 4.56am) When you�re knocked on your back and your life�s a flop...
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Originally posted by harpmj

everyone is forgetting that things were as bad under neil warnock as they are now under allardyce in my opinion. we had jedi, murray, delaney, speroni, mccarthy even behind the scenes. but we were stil crap- i believe that these 'driving forces' are overrated and their absence is not why we're poor. maybe the players that have substituted them are not willing to fight to turn the season around, but i don't think jedinak was the lucky gem that some suggest

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (08 Feb 2017 4.56am)

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 08 Feb 17 9.19am
Originally posted by harpmj Pardew managed to ruin a decent defence - pretty much the same defence that learnt how to do it properly under Pulis. Selling Murray was a huge mistake, he and Gayle worked so well together. Now we've just got a big guy in the box to lob them up to and hope he gets his head on it. 15 goals a season from a 32 million player isn't going to be enough if we're leaking goals at the other end. Shudve kept hold of Bolasie....... Er Bolasie wanted to leave as did Murray.
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Deal or Croydon 08 Feb 17 9.19am

Originally posted by harpmj

Er Bolasie wanted to leave as did Murray.

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Username Horsham 08 Feb 17 9.32am
Originally posted by Jamesrichards8 everyone is forgetting that things were as bad under neil warnock as they are now under allardyce in my opinion. we had jedi, murray, delaney, speroni, mccarthy even behind the scenes. but we were stil crap- i believe that these 'driving forces' are overrated and their absence is not why we're poor. maybe the players that have substituted them are not willing to fight to turn the season around, but i don't think jedinak was the lucky gem that some suggest Edited by Jamesrichards8 (08 Feb 2017 4.56am) Good point. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 08 Feb 17 9.32am

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (08 Feb 2017 4.56am)

Good point.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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spartakev2 Anerley 08 Feb 17 10.18am
Originally posted by Jamesrichards8 everyone is forgetting that things were as bad under neil warnock as they are now under allardyce in my opinion. we had jedi, murray, delaney, speroni, mccarthy even behind the scenes. but we were stil crap- i believe that these 'driving forces' are overrated and their absence is not why we're poor. maybe the players that have substituted them are not willing to fight to turn the season around, but i don't think jedinak was the lucky gem that some suggest Edited by Jamesrichards8 (08 Feb 2017 4.56am) This....Jedinak was a great player and captain, but 2nd half of last season we were still crap even when he played. Time to knock this one on thd head...as has been said many times, selling Jedinak was not the problem, not replacing him was.
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Anerley 08 Feb 17 10.18am

Originally posted by Jamesrichards8

everyone is forgetting that things were as bad under neil warnock as they are now under allardyce in my opinion. we had jedi, murray, delaney, speroni, mccarthy even behind the scenes. but we were stil crap- i believe that these 'driving forces' are overrated and their absence is not why we're poor. maybe the players that have substituted them are not willing to fight to turn the season around, but i don't think jedinak was the lucky gem that some suggest

Edited by Jamesrichards8 (08 Feb 2017 4.56am)

This....Jedinak was a great player and captain, but 2nd half of last season we were still crap even when he played. Time to knock this one on thd head...as has been said many times, selling Jedinak was not the problem, not replacing him was.

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