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View Mad4palace's Profile Mad4palace Flag 07 Feb 17 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Mad4palace Add Mad4palace as a friend

I only think Puncheon should be taken out fo the side for a week or two, he's been asked to do a deeper creative role but there is no mobile or effective tackler next to him so his creative game is being spoiled because he has to help out Cabaye or Ledley next to him. If we can get Milivojevic shielding the defense then either Puncheon or Cabaye can get forward a bit more and into goal scoring opportunities. Ledley can't function in this division any longer, Puncheon just needs to get his spark back.

 

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View Cpfcdub's Profile Cpfcdub Flag Croydon 07 Feb 17 11.30pm Send a Private Message to Cpfcdub Add Cpfcdub as a friend

Quite possibly the most sensible post I've ever seen on here

 

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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 07 Feb 17 11.38pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by Mad4palace

My player by player assessment of nearly everyone in our squad:


Hennessey: Been a point of discussion for far too long amongst palace fans. Pardew has brought in both McCarthy and Mandanda to try replace him over the last 2 seasons. He’s a deadly combo of error prone mixed with the incapability to organise or pull off enough good saves that make up for his mistakes. He and the defences confidence in each other looks shot, a change is needed.


Ward: Not a wing-back, incapable of getting up and down the flank. Makes his passes very predictable and easy to read, when Zaha has an anonymous game it’s often down to Wards laboured passing. If we are to continue with 3 at the back I wouldn’t rule out putting Ward in there as the RCB, it could be more suited to him than RWB.


Dann: Never saw captain material in the man. Was always disappointed in his lack of leadership when he and Hangeland player together last season and before. Delaney and Ward should be taking greater responsibility for the team because Dann has fallen way short.


Tomkins: What a disappointing signing, not added any solidity to that back line. Not prepared to but his body on the line and very average in possession. He has added a few goals to our tally but that’s not what he’s here for, was culpable for a couple of the goals against Sunderland. I would maybe switch him with Ward if we continue with a 3-4-3.


Delaney: A frustrated man, who knows if we’ll see him much for the rest of the season. I still think he’s our best leader and if given the armband I think he can get back to his best. Again if we’re keeping 3 at the back, he might just do better as the most central of the three; he is the most vocal. Maybe thats just wishful thinking.


Van Aanholt: Just come in but so far I prefer Schlupp at LWB. Against Bournemouth PVA did get into some good advanced positions though.


Cabaye: Been one of our better midfielders this season but gets knocks too easily, having to make a sub for him has cost us too many times now. Even when he seems at 100% he gets tired and nearly always subbed in games.


Puncheon: Off the boil, may need a little time away from the first XI. Seems wasted in the deeper role, he needs someone behind him to free him up a little.


McArthur: Still our best player this season after Wilf but not as consistent as he used to be. We miss his energy in the middle.


Ledley: Past it. I feel like giving up hope of a result every time I see that octogenarian coming off the bench. He can barely function any more, there’s like a 2 second delay on his movement. I don’t know if he’s constantly carrying an injury or what? For someone played in defensive midfield he has a horrible sense of positioning and devoid of any defensive intelligence, he gets panicked far too easily and loses the ball way too often. He’s better in a more advanced position or when the opposition play a deep line. If we continue with him in any capacity then we’re going down, sorry Joe.


Zaha: Brilliant, it will be heartbreaking to see him leave in the summer as I can’t see him tolerating this much longer.


Benteke: A fine goals tally but needs to do more. His ability on the deck has been disappointing. Still not the player that he was at Villa, he used to bully defenders, where’s that now?


Remy: Showed good glimpses in the few games he’s played, need to see more of him now, should bring out the best in Benteke.


Townsend: Frustrating signing but perhaps emblematic of our fickleness as fans, last month we wanted rid, now many on here are begging for him to start.


Flamini: Impressed whenever played, I don’t know why he isn’t being selected more. Relatively untainted by the fear of the rest of the group and with some of the leadership qualities we’ve been severely missing since Jedinak’s departure. Should be ahead of Ledley any day of the week.


Schlupp: Looked like the Bolasie type that we’ve missed this season. Raw pace but looked decent in defense too against Everton.


Milivojevic: Seen nothing of him yet but he can only improve us right? We need a bit more energy and youth in there, also the intelligence to play the holding role, none of the others are holding midfielders. He should in theory help free up Puncheon or Cabaye to drift into more advanced positions.

Sakho: Maybe we need big characters like him. At this point, nothing can damage us further you’d think. I don’t know if he’s captain material but hopefully he communicates better than Dann or Tomkins.


Kelly: I like Kelly, he looked nervous at LB but he’s had the time out of the team now, I think he can come back in and do a job at RCB or RWB. He’s better going forward than Ward, he’s more efficient with his attacks and has a better deep cross.


Campbell: Not sure when he’s back but could do what McArthur was supposed to do as the left sided forward. He gives his all and will win you corners, throw-ins further up the field. Not saying he should be in the first XI but should be more of an option if we want to get support up to Benteke and add a bit of fight and energy into the team.


Sako: Another player like Schlupp or Campbell; could give an unlikely lift if he can get fit.


Lee: Culpable for goals conceded against Manchester City (not relaying instructions properly) and Evertons goal when he didn’t take enough initiative to cover for Schlupp. He makes us better in possession but I’m not sure he adds enough to warrant selection and likely to switch off defensively.


Speroni: Would give home games a lift, not seen anything to suggest that he’s lost it. If Mandanda’s not fit yet, Speroni surely has to play on Saturday up at Stoke?


Mandanda: Walks back into the team when fit?


Edited by Mad4palace (07 Feb 2017 6.26pm)


Good post and agreed

 

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 08 Feb 17 3.29am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

I don't think changing the Captain is a good idea at this point of the season...in fact I think it would be a terrible idea. The team needs bringing together and the reality is there are not exactly many players who are Captain material that are fit and playing well regularly.

I prefer Wards short passing over Kelly's long no hope boots into the box any day of the week and Kelly should no longer make the squad.

As soon as Townsend knew he wasn't going back to Newcastle he has been playing better and I have been a big critic of him so yes if that persists then his second chance has arrived.

Tomkins needs a huge slap...is the arrival of Sakho too much pressure for him to take? To his credit Delaney doesn't seem to struggle with the mental side of the game as much as the other players...if only he were a few years younger!

Wilf is awesome and Benteke will score goals if we provide him with the right service.

I think it is time to go 4-3-3

GK

Ward
Dann
Sakho
PVA

Milivojevic
McArthur
Cabaye

Zaha
Townsend
Benteke

Subs: GK, Tomkins, Delaney, Flamini, Schlupp, Punch, Reme

Edited by Hudsoneagle (07 Feb 2017 8.07pm)

I like that line up. Milivojevic to hold, McArthur box to box and Cabaye the creative spark who gets to roam a bit more than he's ever really been able to since joining us. The problem I think is that now is probably not the time to change the system AGAIN. The back 3 clearly can work under Sam if implemented properly like it did at Bournemouth but it takes immense concentration and discipline - 2 factors I just do not see in this team anymore, a real shame.

 


We're the Arthur over ere!

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Feb 17 6.28am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez


I like that line up. Milivojevic to hold, McArthur box to box and Cabaye the creative spark who gets to roam a bit more

A case of someone's reputation being enhanced by not playing. No-one had ever heard of Milli Vanilli a couple of weeks ago and now he's our saviour.

Whilst I hope that he can do a great job for us let's not forget that he is very much an unknown quantity

 

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 08 Feb 17 8.30am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

A case of someone's reputation being enhanced by not playing. No-one had ever heard of Milli Vanilli a couple of weeks ago and now he's our saviour.

Whilst I hope that he can do a great job for us let's not forget that he is very much an unknown quantity

I like that line up in theory then :-). Either way as I said I think changing system at this point is probably the last thing we need, probably better off mastering the current one (if at all possible).

 


We're the Arthur over ere!

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Feb 17 9.14am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez


I like that line up in theory then :-). Either way as I said I think changing system at this point is probably the last thing we need, probably better off mastering the current one (if at all possible).

I agree. Mr Vanilli was brought in to fulfil a specific function so we all have to hope that he's up to the job and the sooner he's chucked in at the deep end the better

 

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 08 Feb 17 10.24am Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I like that line up. Milivojevic to hold, McArthur box to box and Cabaye the creative spark who gets to roam a bit more than he's ever really been able to since joining us. The problem I think is that now is probably not the time to change the system AGAIN. The back 3 clearly can work under Sam if implemented properly like it did at Bournemouth but it takes immense concentration and discipline - 2 factors I just do not see in this team anymore, a real shame.

I see what you mean, a change in system isnt always the best idea but I have to say I dont think this system suits us and in the past 3 years the only system that we have actually mastered to any degree is 4-3-3

 

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View Mad4palace's Profile Mad4palace Flag 08 Feb 17 11.01am Send a Private Message to Mad4palace Add Mad4palace as a friend

Formation wise, I just think it's a case of understanding who we're playing and having the choice of 3 or so variations of our formations. IMO Sunderland got the better of us because they were more familiar with 3-4-3, their 3 at the back kept Benteke quiet and Defoe could just run rings around our 6'2" CB's and cause confusion. Our passing was particularly slow from the back so we allowed Sunderland to block off the passing lanes to Wilf. The manner of the loss wasn't down to the tactics though, that was all on the players themselves.

I think as a general rule we should now go 3 at the back when the opponents are used to playing a 4 at the back themselves. I think we should try to always go with a proper 2 up front when playing against a back 3 ourselves because Benteke just gets isolated. 2 up front works both attacking wise and defensively; your 2 strikers stop the opponents building out from the back, forcing their play out wide plus you can play a more pressing game, attacking wise you should be able to pin their defense quite deep, you can go direct and you've got more bodies in the box from crosses.

Against Everton we held them off quite well until Remy went off for Lee, after that with only 1 striker they started to push us deeper. The goal eventually came because of other circumstances too but taking off a striker hurt us in that instance defensively as well as attacking wise IMO.

 

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