self-censored again.

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Mar 2017 1.43pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

I'm not convinced that saying immigrants commit more crime, actually provides any real value, in light of the evidence pointing towards social and economic evidence.

More or less constant, I suspect in the initial migrations, that crime rates might drop, and then rise with later generations. With Indian and pakistani migration, there wasn't any 'crime wave'. Also, crimes committed against immigrants and their families probably are less likely to have been recorded.

The advantage of stats is that they're empirical data, collected regionally, and nationally. We're not looking to tell a story, so much as determine patterns.

Not necessarily, but its analysis is much more complicated - and you'd be limited to looking more at attitudes towards ethnicity and crime, than patterns in crime.

It'd be untrue, what you'd be seeing is a spike in a region possibly, and it appears this way because of the way its been reported - and because when we say gun crime and knife crime, we mean shootings and stabbings, typically gang related.

However if you look at the experience of the Flying Squad, and include armed robberies, where the use of a fire arm was common place. Throw in things like republican and loyalist terrorism and related criminal funding activities of those groups - and the picture really does change.

In terms of knife crime, this isn't really a new thing. The 60s saw plenty of stabbings and knife related violence and the heyday of British knife crime was the 1930s.

Also the ethnicity factor becomes somewhat questionable when you look at the history of knife crimes in Glasgow.

I suspect personal experiences are more about where people live, rather than ethnicity and crime. Areas like Norwood have always had problems with crime even back when it was a very white area, and those problems seem to have increased not so much in line with migration, but the fact that the area has seen a decreasing levels of employment and wages, that have produced increasing levels of poverty and social dysfunction caused by the stresses of poverty.

Adding migration into areas, where employment is low, and wages are low, just adds to the problem. You have more people competing for jobs, that barely cover a subsistence level existence - and that breeds the kind of factors that feed into criminality.

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It could be said that every generation has this attitude.

The Indian community in the UK have very low crime rates, are hard working, good citizens, beneficial to the country - as are the Jewish and Chinese communities.

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Mar 2017 5.19pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

I agree. Of course the people whose pockets were lined at the taxpayers expense are often rather unsavoury and of course bribery can hide genuine problems with competitiveness which don't get addressed if decisions are made only on the basis of brown envelopes and Cypriot bank accounts. So in the long term it is bad for jobs because bribery as a way making sales isn't sustainable (yet).

But how about tax evasion then? I particularly enjoyed a recent headline in the Mail about how HMRC has failed to convict anymore than one non-dom tax avoider in the past x years for tax avoidance.

Of course the Mail failed to mention that HMRC hasn't succeeded in getting Lord Rothermere to pay his fair share of taxes either.

old time bbs refugee

Rolls Royce cars is a tiny little business by comparison with the defence and civil aviation one.

The money stolen from the exchequer by corporate criminals would be available to the NHS and the police. So the little old lady has less chance of being robbed and if she is then she doesn't have to wait for 6 hours on a trolley to get stitched up.

Get your priorities in order please.

old time bbs refugee