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Originally posted by Pista

Let me know if you succeed. I decided not to pursue that particular oxymoron (especially whilst there are plenty of ordinary morons to pursue).

Why would Left wing politicians care more about people than Right?
They are career politicians who care about being elected and appealing to their selected target voters.
I would not trust any single one of them to do right by anyone.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Mar 17 6.43pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Why would Left wing politicians care more about people than Right?
They are career politicians who care about being elected and appealing to their selected target voters.
I would not trust any single one of them to do right by anyone.

Surely you realise that all left-liberals wear white hats and that the rest of the world wear black? They are also the only the only true political grouping that care about people (well selected people in reality). All the other political groupings are more or less Fascist of course.

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Mar 2017 6.50pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Mar 17 7.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Why would Left wing politicians care more about people than Right?
They are career politicians who care about being elected and appealing to their selected target voters.
I would not trust any single one of them to do right by anyone.

Really? Politicians of all parties do a lot of things for ordinary people. Jo Cox was murdered (by someone of your (sweeping generalisation but nowhere near the truth connotations for a bit of bile) ilk) on her way to her weekly surgery, something that all mps hold so that they can hear constituents' concerns or problems and act on them.

Still cunds tho.

Edited by nickgusset (03 Mar 2017 7.17pm)

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Mar 17 7.27pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Really? Politicians of all parties do a lot of things for ordinary people. Jo Cox was murdered (by someone of your (sweeping generalisation but nowhere near the truth connotations for a bit of bile) ilk) on her way to her weekly surgery, something that all mps hold so that they can hear constituents' concerns or problems and act on them.

Still cunds tho.

Edited by nickgusset (03 Mar 2017 7.17pm)

Disgraceful of you to liken him to the murderer of Jo Cox. Illustrates my previous post.
What about the murders of MPs, Airey Neave, Ian Gow and Anthony Berry by the people Corbyn likes to have tea with.

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Mar 2017 7.32pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Mar 17 8.02pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Disgraceful of you to liken him to the murderer of Jo Cox. Illustrates my previous post.
What about the murders of MPs, Airey Neave, Ian Gow and Anthony Berry by the people Corbyn likes to have tea with.

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Mar 2017 7.32pm)

Hahaha. A real whoosh moment there methinks. I even deconstructed it including the not actually true bit. You appear to see what you want to see.

The murders you mention, Equally terrible. Equally political.
Having tea with the IRA? Yes, whilst helping along a fledgling peace process.

I note you missed the main thrust of my post, that being that mps do a lot for individual constituents. Do you not believe this to be true.

It's a British Value that mps maintain close links with their constituents. Although that is a bad thing if there is a big rugby match going on.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Really? Politicians of all parties do a lot of things for ordinary people. Jo Cox was murdered (by someone of your (sweeping generalisation but nowhere near the truth connotations for a bit of bile) ilk) on her way to her weekly surgery, something that all mps hold so that they can hear constituents' concerns or problems and act on them.

Still cunds tho.

Edited by nickgusset (03 Mar 2017 7.17pm)

Sorry, I switched of at Jo Cox.
You can put your faith in who you like but I only trust one person to look after my best interests before their own and it ain't Jesus or Jeremy Corbyn.

 

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Originally posted by hedgehog50

Surely you realise that all left-liberals wear white hats and that the rest of the world wear black? They are also the only the only true political grouping that care about people (well selected people in reality). All the other political groupings are more or less Fascist of course.

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Mar 2017 6.50pm)

They are hypocrisy incarnate. Their motto is you can blame anyone else for your circumstances as long as they are on an approved list. Usually including rich, old, Tory, successful or white.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Mar 17 8.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Hahaha. A real whoosh moment there methinks. I even deconstructed it including the not actually true bit. You appear to see what you want to see.

The murders you mention, Equally terrible. Equally political.
Having tea with the IRA? Yes, whilst helping along a fledgling peace process.

I note you missed the main thrust of my post, that being that mps do a lot for individual constituents. Do you not believe this to be true.

It's a British Value that mps maintain close links with their constituents. Although that is a bad thing if there is a big rugby match going on.

You said, "Jo Cox was murdered by someone of your ilk". I repeat, it is an absolute disgrace that you compare a HOL poster with the murderer of Jo Cox.
Of course some MPs do a very good job - some of them Conservatives do you agree?
Should Corbyn pay some prison visits to Jo Cox's murderer?

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Mar 2017 8.25pm)

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

Hahaha. A real whoosh moment there methinks. I even deconstructed it including the not actually true bit. You appear to see what you want to see.

The murders you mention, Equally terrible. Equally political.
Having tea with the IRA? Yes, whilst helping along a fledgling peace process.

I note you missed the main thrust of my post, that being that mps do a lot for individual constituents. Do you not believe this to be true.

It's a British Value that mps maintain close links with their constituents. Although that is a bad thing if there is a big rugby match going on.

But it was in very poor taste.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Mar 2017 8.51pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Mar 17 9.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sorry, I switched of at Jo Cox.
You can put your faith in who you like but I only trust one person to look after my best interests before their own and it ain't Jesus or Jeremy Corbyn.

That's the difference between us and our politics. I do worry about everybody because I see what's happening. In the sector I'm working kids are sufferering as they're not getting tutored because of austerity.

Look at wider society, libraries are closing, that will pass a lot of people by if they don't use them. But for a lot of people it means a lot.

The NHS was ranked 1st in a survey in 2014, [Link] Last year it was 9th out of 11! Why's that? What's changed? Funding? Investment? Immigrants

Now the NHS being underfunded, as a precursor to being sold off (my opinion) ie turn it to s***. Everyone says this is s*** (with help from the usual sources in the media - you cannot argue that mass media has no influence - Keith Richards said the world changed the moment adverts appeared on TV. Sounds reasonable to me)

An underfunded nhs is of no use to me as I get older.touch wood I won't need to use it. That goes for everyone wot ain't gone private.
I worry that other people could / do suffer as a result of government because it could happen to any one of us.

You, I can understand why, worry about different things that you think affect you and yours.

Tomorrow I'll be marching with many many others in support of the NHS because people's (including my nearest and dearest and maybe yours too) lives depend on it.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Mar 17 9.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But it was in very poor taste.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Mar 2017 8.51pm)

I chose her in riposte to the 'all mp's are liars and only worry about their own best interests' line.

But if it has upset you or anyone else I apologise.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

That's the difference between us and our politics. I do worry about everybody because I see what's happening. In the sector I'm working kids are sufferering as they're not getting tutored because of austerity.

Look at wider society, libraries are closing, that will pass a lot of people by if they don't use them. But for a lot of people it means a lot.

The NHS was ranked 1st in a survey in 2014, [Link] Last year it was 9th out of 11! Why's that? What's changed? Funding? Investment? Immigrants

Now the NHS being underfunded, as a precursor to being sold off (my opinion) ie turn it to s***. Everyone says this is s*** (with help from the usual sources in the media - you cannot argue that mass media has no influence - Keith Richards said the world changed the moment adverts appeared on TV. Sounds reasonable to me)

An underfunded nhs is of no use to me as I get older.touch wood I won't need to use it. That goes for everyone wot ain't gone private.
I worry that other people could / do suffer as a result of government because it could happen to any one of us.

You, I can understand why, worry about different things that you think affect you and yours.

Tomorrow I'll be marching with many many others in support of the NHS because people's (including my nearest and dearest and maybe yours too) lives depend on it.

What for?
It needs a practical solution, not party political banner waving. The NHS receives more and more funding year on year. It is not being under funded. It simply can't keep pace with the increasing demands put on it. There could be a tax rise to help fund it but there is a formula for how much tax people can pay before it crashes the economy thus potentially making the situation worse. It just isn't that simple.
Education has been a joke under every government but your party really helped screw it up by ending grammar Schools and reducing standards for those who were more able. Where I live we still have grammars and I'm very glad that my kids went one. I would agree that they are not so good if you are at the bottom of the pile, as they tend to focus on the high fliers, but over all standards are better and you can always drop down to a state school in sixth form if you are better suited to being at the top of the pile.

What do you mean by kids not getting Tutoring?

 

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