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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Feb 17 1.08pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Labour are hampered by the fact that they want to upset the status quo so there is media manipulation against them. Get a neoliberal in like Blair and the press would be happier. However neoliberalism goes against labours founding principles. Corbyn is no more left wing than Attlee. However politics has moved so far right that he's called extreme. I think Corbyn is reminder of 70's old Labour and there are plenty of voters who remember what that was like. Blair managed to take the middle ground where most voters live and convince the electorate that Labour had changed. The Tories had become boring and Blair was all show business and seemed like the future to the gullible. You must face the fact that a left wing, union pandering, CND supporting, anti British Labour party will never win an election again until the immigrants out number the rest of us and maybe not then either.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Labour are hampered by the fact that they want to upset the status quo so there is media manipulation against them. Get a neoliberal in like Blair and the press would be happier. However neoliberalism goes against labours founding principles.

Corbyn is no more left wing than Attlee. However politics has moved so far right that he's called extreme.

I think Corbyn is reminder of 70's old Labour and there are plenty of voters who remember what that was like.
Blair managed to take the middle ground where most voters live and convince the electorate that Labour had changed. The Tories had become boring and Blair was all show business and seemed like the future to the gullible.
You must face the fact that a left wing, union pandering, CND supporting, anti British Labour party will never win an election again until the immigrants out number the rest of us and maybe not then either.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 17 1.17pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think Corbyn is reminder of 70's old Labour and there are plenty of voters who remember what that was like. Blair managed to take the middle ground where most voters live and convince the electorate that Labour had changed. The Tories had become boring and Blair was all show business and seemed like the future to the gullible. You must face the fact that a left wing, union pandering, CND supporting, anti British Labour party will never win an election again until the immigrants out number the rest of us and maybe not then either. Anti British? Immigrants outnumbering us? You do make me chuckle sometimes.
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Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 17 1.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Anti British? Immigrants outnumbering us?
You do make me chuckle sometimes.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Feb 17 1.57pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Anti British? Immigrants outnumbering us? You do make me chuckle sometimes. Nice avoidance. You sum up the problem perfectly. Denial.
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Hrolf The Ganger

24 Feb 17 1.57pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Anti British? Immigrants outnumbering us?
You do make me chuckle sometimes.

Nice avoidance.

You sum up the problem perfectly.

Denial.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 17 2.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think Corbyn is reminder of 70's old Labour and there are plenty of voters who remember what that was like. Blair managed to take the middle ground where most voters live and convince the electorate that Labour had changed. The Tories had become boring and Blair was all show business and seemed like the future to the gullible. You must face the fact that a left wing, union pandering, CND supporting, anti British Labour party will never win an election again until the immigrants out number the rest of us and maybe not then either. I think we are heading towards the kind of 'Love thy Neighbour' territory of the 70's.
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Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 17 2.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think we are heading towards the kind of 'Love thy Neighbour' territory of the 70's.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 17 2.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Nice avoidance. You sum up the problem perfectly. Denial. It's a river. That's about it.
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Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 17 2.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nice avoidance.

You sum up the problem perfectly.

Denial.

It's a river. That's about it.

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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 24 Feb 17 2.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well Labour played a good hand with their character assassination of Nutall but We can;t say for sure how big a factor that was. I think the problem for UKIP at the moment is that their potential voters are leavers and most leavers are Tories. All the time the EU deal is in the air, there is no reason to ditch the Tories for UKIP. If a hard Brexit is not achieved and they don't address immigration then UKIP will have a good shout at the next Election. Either way Labour are doomed to a wipe out if Corbyn does not resign and even if he does Labour have no potential leaders in the cabinet to replace him. I don't think much character assassination was needed. The guy (or his team) lied about losing friends at Hillsborough and he then lied about being at Hillsborough. Most of the rest I agree with. I still - as I have always said - believe Labour will lose under Corbyn. While there are some talented moderate politicians in the Labour MPs, few of them are palatable to the majority of the membership, who seem to need an election defeat to confirm what everyone else is telling them. At that point they will lose some of their fervency for purity in their politics and move closer to the centre again. The media is currently the most pro-government it has arguably ever been though. The relentless criticism of all the opposition parties - Labour, UKIP, Lib Dems, etc - is the worst it has ever been. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Cockfosters, London 24 Feb 17 2.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well Labour played a good hand with their character assassination of Nutall but We can;t say for sure how big a factor that was.
I think the problem for UKIP at the moment is that their potential voters are leavers and most leavers are Tories. All the time the EU deal is in the air, there is no reason to ditch the Tories for UKIP. If a hard Brexit is not achieved and they don't address immigration then UKIP will have a good shout at the next Election. Either way Labour are doomed to a wipe out if Corbyn does not resign and even if he does Labour have no potential leaders in the cabinet to replace him.

I don't think much character assassination was needed. The guy (or his team) lied about losing friends at Hillsborough and he then lied about being at Hillsborough.

Most of the rest I agree with. I still - as I have always said - believe Labour will lose under Corbyn. While there are some talented moderate politicians in the Labour MPs, few of them are palatable to the majority of the membership, who seem to need an election defeat to confirm what everyone else is telling them. At that point they will lose some of their fervency for purity in their politics and move closer to the centre again.

The media is currently the most pro-government it has arguably ever been though. The relentless criticism of all the opposition parties - Labour, UKIP, Lib Dems, etc - is the worst it has ever been.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Feb 17 3.29pm
Originally posted by OknotOK I don't think much character assassination was needed. The guy (or his team) lied about losing friends at Hillsborough and he then lied about being at Hillsborough. Most of the rest I agree with. I still - as I have always said - believe Labour will lose under Corbyn. While there are some talented moderate politicians in the Labour MPs, few of them are palatable to the majority of the membership, who seem to need an election defeat to confirm what everyone else is telling them. At that point they will lose some of their fervency for purity in their politics and move closer to the centre again. The media is currently the most pro-government it has arguably ever been though. The relentless criticism of all the opposition parties - Labour, UKIP, Lib Dems, etc - is the worst it has ever been. I think criticism of all the parties is the most it's ever been.
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24 Feb 17 3.29pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

I don't think much character assassination was needed. The guy (or his team) lied about losing friends at Hillsborough and he then lied about being at Hillsborough.

The media is currently the most pro-government it has arguably ever been though. The relentless criticism of all the opposition parties - Labour, UKIP, Lib Dems, etc - is the worst it has ever been.

I think criticism of all the parties is the most it's ever been.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Feb 17 3.32pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I think we are heading towards the kind of 'Love thy Neighbour' territory of the 70's. Well Labour is like a bad comedy so maybe.
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24 Feb 17 3.32pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I think we are heading towards the kind of 'Love thy Neighbour' territory of the 70's.

Well Labour is like a bad comedy so maybe.

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 24 Feb 17 10.54pm
It seems to me, and I am a "white van man", that the Labour party created an institution (the NHS) which was very much needed, and very necessary, without thinking about how to actually implement it. They then needed to staff the behemoth, but instead of training the indiginous population, they recruited from the former colonies, especially for the so-called non-skilled jobs. Hence the first mass immigration. That philosophy continues to this day. As long as there are taxpayers, the Labour are happy. Sod the real money in the country. Let's have low paid workers paying minimum tax. Not really gonna help the deficit though. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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It seems to me, and I am a "white van man", that the Labour party created an institution (the NHS) which was very much needed, and very necessary, without thinking about how to actually implement it. They then needed to staff the behemoth, but instead of training the indiginous population, they recruited from the former colonies, especially for the so-called non-skilled jobs. Hence the first mass immigration. That philosophy continues to this day. As long as there are taxpayers, the Labour are happy. Sod the real money in the country. Let's have low paid workers paying minimum tax.

Not really gonna help the deficit though.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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