And I repeat your own words in the same post just for you susmik

If then above isn't trying to score points then I'm not sure what is.

I would prefer if the threads hadn't descended into the manner they have as well. But your post added to that, not reduced it.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

They are most of the leaders of most of the institutions which run our lives, like the judiciary, the BBC, the universities, teaching, social services, many councils, the top of the medical profession, the boards of all quangos.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

In an odd twist of Liberal Leftism, MI-5 is noted for being very progressive in the UK, being the first government agency to hire women beyond secretarial, and long having a reputation for cultivating diversity.

Even when infiltrating left wing and liberal movements like CND, The SWP and SP.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Blair was liberal left par excellence. Nick Clegg in the coalition certainly was. Cameron himself was in many ways a a 'liberal' in Tory clothing.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Regardless of how liberal left the governments of the last 40 odd years have been, I stand by my original point - "Ye shall know then by their fruits" [Matthew 7]

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Rod Liddle summed this up well in a recent issue of the Spectator: "Try being a social worker who thinks gay adoptions are problematic. Or a doctor who disproves of abortion or gender transitioning. Or a student who quite likes Germaine Greer and wearing a sombrero. Or a teacher who thinks Trump is maybe OK. (The headmaster at a school in south London recently told pupils that if any child uttered the same sorts of words as Donald Trump about immigration, they'd be excluded.) Try being a judge who thinks an awful lot of hate crimes are imaginary or vexatious. In all cases you'd be drummed out. No job, You'd be finished. There would be tribunals - where you would be judged by other upholders of the liberal elite - and you'd be out. That is what we mean by the liberal elite."

Liddle also addressed the notion mentioned here that we have had years of non left liberals in these positions: "I remember as a speechwriter for the Labour party in the early 1980s suggesting that we do something in support of the teachers, who were complaining about pay.'F**k them - they're all Tories' I was told. And so statistically they were at the time. And in the 1970s the BBC, the Church of England, the judiciary and the emergent quangos were small 'c' conservative. Elites last for about two generations. Our liberal elite has lasted since about 1985."

Edited by hedgehog50 (06 Mar 2017 6.57pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]