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I actually really like NW and think he did a decent job for us in the Championship. Struggled in the top division, both with us and with Sheff Utd, but I think he's a very good championship manager.

Is there a lack of decent managers out there? And why would he care anyway given this is his last job in football. Oh wait that was the last one. No the one before that. ....

 


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Hard to say what a good manager is. Should the judgement take into account the money the club has and the infrastructure they inherit? Some would argue managing a rich club to a league title might be easier than keeping a poor club from the drop for example. Given all the other factors involved in football such as the backing of the crowds, the moods of footballing divas, the performance of the opposition, how can we ever really know how much credit to give a manager after a win or a defeat?

 




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Managers are not what they used to be you could class them now as Head coach only because they do not control what is going on around a club.

I always liked Warnock it's a shame he could never make it in the Prem but this comes down to Prem clubs operated different to the lower leagues it is filtering through to other leagues as well now but in Prem tactics are very important with the correct players to pull them off.

I know people like to put managers into this well they have always had wealth or good infrastructure but that doesn't mean you are bad having money doesn't = winning just look how much Palace has spent and previous seasons other clubs.

Infrastructure is very important but pointless if you do not use it correctly so you need more then just a manager but qulaity managers identify this sort of thing or work with people that do

 


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chateauferret Flag 14 Mar 17 5.48pm

It would help if managers did not:

- fail to insist on rigorous fitness regimes
- ignore their best players
- blow smoke up the arses of prime donne
- leave important spots in the squad without cover
- make ridiculous substitutions
- throw players under the bus
- explain away s***e performances with feeble excuses
- assume we have won when we haven't
- dance
- hire their old cronies
- play people out of position for so long that they've forgotten which foot to use
- experiment with bollocks tactics in important matches
- mistake championship-standard players for "hidden gems" or
- up sticks and f*** off two days before the season starts.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Mar 17 12.30pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

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I actually really like NW and think he did a decent job for us in the Championship. Struggled in the top division, both with us and with Sheff Utd, but I think he's a very good championship manager.

Is there a lack of decent managers out there? And why would he care anyway given this is his last job in football. Oh wait that was the last one. No the one before that. ....

Yes, I think he's right, a lot of managers seem to be out of 'the game' soon, or at very low levels from where they started within five years.

Problem I think is that a lot of the talented English managers are those who've started out lower down and worked their way up.

Too many managers seem to be 'straight in' at the sharp end, having got their coaching badges and having a high profile. A bit like taking a graduate on as CEO...

I think its telling that the best English managers in the premiership are Allerdyce, Pulis, Dyche (to a lesser extent) and Howe, all of whom got that way through the management path by way of lower leagues, or lower positions within a club, and earning the step up internally.

The only exception is Mark Hughes I guess, and he did start management with Wales for five years (arguably a non-league international team). Paul Clement never played professional level football (so is really a career coach - Arguably that's a promotion by way of ability).

Craig Shakespear, spent nearly 17 years as a coach before getting his first managerial position, and even then only because the 'gaffer' got sacked, and he got results.

Too many players who move straight from playing to management, do so on profile as a player, not their proven ability as a coach, and lack the experience to really learn how to manage.

 


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