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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 15 Apr 17 6.26pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by kenbarr

Right now, the absolute safety MN is 11. Monday will tell if it will be reduced to single digits. A Boro loss or draw (possible given Arsenic's away form) will reduce it to 9. In reality, they have no games at hand on us as the Monday match is this week's round.

It's not quite that simple. If we earn 11 points, we guarantee finishing above the bottom three. But, because there's multiple teams in the mix, it's possible to achieve the MN against, say, Boro, but still fall behind anyone else below us currently.

Would obviously love to achieve safety with a continued run of positive results but, more likey, we will get there by combination of points won by us and points dropped by others.

Edited by Ray in Houston (15 Apr 2017 6.28pm)

 


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View Superhorns3's Profile Superhorns3 Flag Harpdenden 15 Apr 17 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Superhorns3 Add Superhorns3 as a friend

Probably see you next season guys...

On today's form Swansea looked like they won't score many.

We weren't that great and basically played out a comfortable 1-0 win.

Also Hull will beat us next week...

(And I suspect you will finish above us)

 

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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

It's not quite that simple. If we earn 11 points, we guarantee finishing above the bottom three. But, because there's multiple teams in the mix, it's possible to achieve the MN against, say, Boro, but still fall behind anyone else below us currently.

Would obviously love to achieve safety with a continued run of positive results but, more likey, we will get there by combination of points won by us and points dropped by others.

Edited by Ray in Houston (15 Apr 2017 6.28pm)

I don't believe we can win out, especially with the form Spurs are in. I'm actually looking for anywhere from 6 to 8 points gained by Palace. The bottom four will probably provide at least five dropped points each, exceeding the eleven we need. Hull are a far different proposition away so I'm looking at a six point swing right there. Of course, the best laid plans of mice and men ....

If 17th is where we finish, given the horrible first half plus, I'll take it.

 


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MN down to 9 with Boro loss tonight.

 


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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 18 Apr 17 8.30am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Apologies Ken I hadn't seen your thread when I posted the other day

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Here's the update following Boro's loss on Monday:

11 Stoke 20 (points available 15 )
12 Leicester 21 (points available 18 )
13 West Ham 20 (points available 15 )
14 Burnley 17 (points available 15 )
15 C Palace N/A (points available 18 )
16 Bournemouth 16 (points available 15 )
17 Hull 11 (points available 15 )
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18 Swansea 9 (points available 15 )
19 Middlesbrough 8 (points available 18 )
20 Sunderland 8 (points available 18 )

So, if each of the bottom three lose three of their remaining games, we're safe without earning another point.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 18 Apr 17 7.15pm

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35 points is enough

 

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View Dowdy Cowardly Dowie's Profile Dowdy Cowardly Dowie Flag Hampshire 20 Apr 17 11.55am Send a Private Message to Dowdy Cowardly Dowie Add Dowdy Cowardly Dowie as a friend

I do not see any of the bottom 3 get more than 34 points, with our goal difference, we were already safe on 34 after the Arsenal result.

 

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Originally posted by Dowdy Cowardly Dowie

I do not see any of the bottom 3 get more than 34 points, with our goal difference, we were already safe on 34 after the Arsenal result.

- Swansea have 8 wins from 33 games (1 in 4) and now have to win 3 of 5.
- Boro have 4 wins from 32 (1 in 8) and now have to win 4 of 6
- Sunderland have 5 wins from 32 (1 in 6) and now have to win 5 of 6

All mathematically achievable but, in reality...?

Edited by Ray in Houston (20 Apr 2017 7.28pm)

 


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We ain't safe yet when we beat Liverpool we will be through we need to get to at least 38 points to be safe I reckon Swansea will draw with stoke and hull to beat watford so we have to win at least playing on Sunday we will know what we have to do against liverpool and that should be enough incentive to go out and get the result we need points wise

 

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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

- Swansea have 8 wins from 33 games (1 in 4) and now have to win 3 of 5.
- Boro have 4 wins from 32 (1 in and now have to win 4 of 6
- Sunderland have 5 wins from 32 (1 in 6) and now have to win 5 of 6

All mathematically achievable but, in reality...?

Edited by Ray in Houston (20 Apr 2017 7.28pm)

After Stoke we had 5 wins from 25 games (1 in 5) yet then managed(thankfully) to get 5 wins from 7 so you just never know when a team can get a streak going.

 


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