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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 29 Mar 17 9.06pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

I am going to stick up for Pardew a bit.

First of all his tenure wasn't a total disaster, yes it ended in tears but the majority of management appointments do. Two more season n and a cup final prove it wasn't all bad. He should have been sacked sooner but I am glad that we can say he was given more than a fair chance.

Secondly, this is a typical interview that a manager gives when looking to get back into work. Nothing particularly controversial just getting his name back out there.


 


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View Dan89's Profile Dan89 Flag Se25 29 Mar 17 9.09pm Send a Private Message to Dan89 Add Dan89 as a friend

He made the club toxic. I can't think of another manager leaving such a disaster behind him, however you got to give him some credit for keeping us up after warnock and sneaking 10th place the following season. At one stage Palace were 5th in Nov/Dec 2015. Then it come crashing down to earth in 2016. With an absolutely horrendous year of results 6 wins. The cup final which should of been his last game as manager but he seemed to convince parish and the board to offer him a long contract. Then we started this season and his arrogance got to a new level saying that clean sheets weren't important. I'm glad he's gone but to say he was a useless manager is not right. Maybe he rode the wave of pulis defensive structure to get the important results in 2015. Not many Palace managers have a 40% win ratio in the prem. In 2015: pld 38 w19 d 6 L13
In 2016: pld 37 w 6 d 9 L22 .

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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 29 Mar 17 9.22pm Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Mad4palace

That was his worst game in terms of substitutions if memory serves me right. Pardew couldn't decide if he wanted to go for the win or for the draw. He brought on Fryers as a defensive move then took off a midfielder to go from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2; ends up with Cabaye getting rolled by Pogba and Pogba's got acres of space to set up the winner.

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That's right he took of Jimmy Mac in the 87th minute and brought on Campbell.
And the moment I wanted him out.

 


Palace 13th 2017/18.

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 29 Mar 17 9.43pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by Dan89

He made the club toxic. I can't think of another manager leaving such a disaster behind him, however you got to give him some credit for keeping us up after warnock and sneaking 10th place the following season. At one stage Palace were 5th in Nov/Dec 2015. Then it come crashing down to earth in 2016. With an absolutely horrendous year of results 6 wins. The cup final which should of been his last game as manager but he seemed to convince parish and the board to offer him a long contract. Then we started this season and his arrogance got to a new level saying that clean sheets weren't important. I'm glad he's gone but to say he was a useless manager is not right. Maybe he rode the wave of pulis defensive structure to get the important results in 2015. Not many Palace managers have a 40% win ratio in the prem. In 2015: pld 38 w19 d 6 L13
In 2016: pld 37 w 6 d 9 L22 .

Edited by Dan89 (29 Mar 2017 9.13pm)

I am not sure what people mean about toxic. The crowd bizarrely didn't turn against him and even though we were playing pretty badly the team seemed to still be playing for him. Yes there were some unhappy players but I still haven't seen anything concrete about the apparently toxicity.

 


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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I am not sure what people mean about toxic. The crowd bizarrely didn't turn against him and even though we were playing pretty badly the team seemed to still be playing for him. Yes there were some unhappy players but I still haven't seen anything concrete about the apparently toxicity.

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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I am not sure what people mean about toxic. The crowd bizarrely didn't turn against him and even though we were playing pretty badly the team seemed to still be playing for him. Yes there were some unhappy players but I still haven't seen anything concrete about the apparently toxicity.

He made me dread going to watch Palace.He stripped us of our leader and team spirit. He made us gutless and passionless. Continuing to make mistake after mistake. 2 home wins all season. The games would be the same every week. Play ok for 43 minutes then concede, then get back in the game , only to throw it away in the last 5 mins. For me that's toxic as a fan you don't expect to win every game but you expect for our players to give 100%. Which we rarely saw under pardew, wether the players lost belief or were not fit enough the buck stop with pardew.


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 29 Mar 17 10.17pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by Dan89

He made me dread going to watch Palace.He stripped us of our leader and team spirit. He made us gutless and passionless. Continuing to make mistake after mistake. 2 home wins all season. The games would be the same every week. Play ok for 43 minutes then concede, then get back in the game , only to throw it away in the last 5 mins. For me that's toxic as a fan you don't expect to win every game but you expect for our players to give 100%. Which we rarely saw under pardew, wether the players lost belief or were not fit enough the buck stop with pardew.


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Edited by Dan89 (29 Mar 2017 10.07pm)

I don't disagree with that, I'm just not sure about the poison (toxicity)

 


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View tonymikejoe's Profile tonymikejoe Flag UK 29 Mar 17 10.20pm Send a Private Message to tonymikejoe Add tonymikejoe as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I don't think that Pardew is the only one rewriting history to suit himself as you have obviously forgotten that far from being a "massive contributor" Jedinak was away playing for Australia for a few weeks when Pardew took over and our steady climb out of the relegation zone and up the table started.

Murray was also a peripheral figure by that time and it was good business to sell someone who wasn't really Premiership quality as Bournemouth who bought him were soon to find out

That reply is nonsense.

We are lauding Pardew for his tenth-place finish, but he only achieved that with the help of Murray hitting seven league goals in the final thirteen matches.

Throw in one of the best centre-forward displays ever seen at Selhurst against champions Man City and I say, not forgetting 30 league goals in our promotion year, that amounts to a "massive contribution."

As for Bournemouth, he gave their fans one of their greatest ever days supporting the club, with the winner over Chelsea FC at Stamford Bridge.

Oh, and he's not doing to badly at the South Coast Wanderers this season with 18 league goals this campaign.

Before you whine: 'That's the Championship it doesn't count' the dross that replaced him, Connor Wickham, has NEVER, EVER scored that many goals at any level of senior football.

I do not need to explain the reasons why Jedinak is a "massive contributor". If you can't work that out for yourself you are an idiot.

 

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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I am not sure what people mean about toxic. The crowd bizarrely didn't turn against him and even though we were playing pretty badly the team seemed to still be playing for him. Yes there were some unhappy players but I still haven't seen anything concrete about the apparently toxicity.

The crowd didn't turn against him. It's mainly people on message boards that don't go to games that seem the loudest.

Turning was done when we went down to Swansea at half time at home and Sunderland and being 4 nil down at half time.

The players always seemed to play for Pardew - the only thing I saw as a piss take was Delaney nodding off at Swansea (I always thought he was putting this on as how do you fall asleep in a loud crowd of 20,000 people.)

 

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View Holmesdale 1989's Profile Holmesdale 1989 Flag 29 Mar 17 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Holmesdale 1989 Add Holmesdale 1989 as a friend

Originally posted by alaneagle1

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That's right he took of Jimmy Mac in the 87th minute and brought on Campbell.
And the moment I wanted him out.

I thought after the Swansea 5-4 it was probably time. I think against Manure he was up against it to get points and he went chasing it.

How often we lost by a single goal. A lot of individual mistakes at each end of each half. But we were too gun ho but it was the most attacking and free scoring Palace football I have ever seen in the top flight.

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 29 Mar 17 10.57pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

I'm really sorry it didn't work out but it didn't and he's gone now ... thank goodness. He only proved that you have to score more goals than you let in to win a football match.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Mar 17 12.49am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I have had a plethora of conversations about the Pardew 'Reign' with a whole host of people both from inside and outside the world of football and there have been diverging opinions of course. Been very interesting and enlightening. At the end of the day I wish him all the very best in his next job and beyond.

 

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