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View Username's Profile Username Flag Horsham 04 Apr 17 3.47pm Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

That article is a load of nonsense like most over indulged racist ideals.
Who knows why Wilf opted for IC. I don't know the guy and I'm sure he has his reasons, but I would very much doubt it was a racist thing.

My GUESS is that he was fed up with the English reluctance to pick him In the weird rules of football he can choose his country and he thought ballox to you lot Im going to go and play for my country that anyway wants me.
Its all a bit weird cos in the last couple of months Wilf has been on the form of his life and keeps getting better by the day. At Chelsea he tore into them like there is no tomorrow.
All I do know is that I am really pi**ed off that he isn't now an England player and I bet so is Gareth and millions of other English fans.
Having said that, who can blame Wilf for choosing IC?
I thought it was a bad decision but look what it has brought. A fantastic goal v Russia and now a bloke who has risen to the top of the pile of his sport since. Flash in the pan? No way. Bad luck for us English? You bet.
Would England have restricted his talent? Definitely.
So far the outcome for Wilf has been incredible. Long may it continue especially if it is at the Palace.
Will he stay here? Please god yes, but one thing is looking sure, Wilf will make the right decision for Wilf, I just hope it is to stay.
But whatever the outcome we are witnessing first hand an emerging world class talent.

You've missed the point. No one is saying he picked IC because of racism. The point is that the reaction from Mills (and to a lesser extent Southgate), and comments about him since were well over the line, and I think Harris is bang on.
The observation that to call playing for IC 'the easy route' when it involves flying to Africa and playing in stadiums where games get called off due to pitch invasions, or where crowds are separated from the pitch by armed soldiers is one that an awful lot of people seemed to miss as well.

Playing for the Ivory Coast makes international breaks harder with more travel, and means he could be disappearing to AFCON regularly. That potentially means his value dips, and top clubs maybe be slightly reluctant to pay him mega bucks if he's unavailable for a key part of a title chase. He may well also lose out on the same sort of high value endorsement deals that England internationals routinely get (Joe Hart and Gareth Southgate are two that come immediately to mind). He didn't make the choice because it was easy.

In interviews, in person and when you ever hear anyone talk about meeting Wilf, almost universally people say how nice he is, almost shy. He's a quiet lad who gives shed loads to charity and came back to Palace rather than sit on the bench for Utd, yet throughout his career people have questioned his attitude. Even on here, some people have questioned his contribution, work rate, attitude etc.

 


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Originally posted by Username

The observation that to call playing for IC 'the easy route' when it involves flying to Africa and playing in stadiums where games get called off due to pitch invasions, or where crowds are separated from the pitch by armed soldiers is one that an awful lot of people seemed to miss as well.

When he referred to "the easy option" I don't think that he was referring to travelling etc but the fact that if he elected to play for England he would have to fight for his place in the team whereas Ivory Coast was the easier option as he was more likely to be picked

 

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Originally posted by Username


In interviews, in person and when you ever hear anyone talk about meeting Wilf, almost universally people say how nice he is, almost shy. He's a quiet lad who gives shed loads to charity and came back to Palace rather than sit on the bench for Utd, yet throughout his career people have questioned his attitude. Even on here, some people have questioned his contribution, work rate, attitude etc.

According to an article in The Guardian there were problems with Zaha a couple of years ago when his colleagues in the U23 side complained about his attitude:-

"Southgate wasn’t manager at the tournament two years ago and, decent bloke that he is, he will have an open mind when it comes to Zaha. Yet there are other people at the Football Association who remember what Zaha was like last time, when Stuart Pearce’s team lost every single match, and could be forgiven for thinking Southgate should keep him a very long arm’s length away. Zaha gave them the impression that being away with England felt like a chore. His attitude was poor and divisive and in the final game Jordan Henderson snapped at half-time and told Zaha exactly what he thought of him while everyone in the dressing room left the Liverpool player to it. If anything, Pearce and his coaches probably wish Henderson had done it in the first game rather than the last one.


Since then, England’s management have always looked at Zaha through suspicious eyes. Roy Hodgson decided the winger should get a clean slate once Southgate replaced Pearce and even called him up into the senior squad. Yet he also felt it necessary to speak to the relevant people at Manchester United about the player’s attitude."

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

According to an article in The Guardian there were problems with Zaha a couple of years ago when his colleagues in the U23 side complained about his attitude:-

"Southgate wasn’t manager at the tournament two years ago and, decent bloke that he is, he will have an open mind when it comes to Zaha. Yet there are other people at the Football Association who remember what Zaha was like last time, when Stuart Pearce’s team lost every single match, and could be forgiven for thinking Southgate should keep him a very long arm’s length away. Zaha gave them the impression that being away with England felt like a chore. His attitude was poor and divisive and in the final game Jordan Henderson snapped at half-time and told Zaha exactly what he thought of him while everyone in the dressing room left the Liverpool player to it. If anything, Pearce and his coaches probably wish Henderson had done it in the first game rather than the last one.


Since then, England’s management have always looked at Zaha through suspicious eyes. Roy Hodgson decided the winger should get a clean slate once Southgate replaced Pearce and even called him up into the senior squad. Yet he also felt it necessary to speak to the relevant people at Manchester United about the player’s attitude."

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I hadn't seen that before. To be fair, I think you could easily make the argument that there was something far more seriously wrong with that structure if a team containing Henderson, Zaha, Butland, Shelvey, Redmond, Wickham, Clyne, Craig Dawson, Rose & Tom Ince couldn't manage a single win and were shouting at each other in the changing room.

Maybe not world beaters, but that's an awful lot of now established Premier League players and a few international regulars to be that bad.

It maybe that Wilf under performed and his attitude wasn't the best, but it doesn't sound like he was the only one in that squad. Perhaps a bit more blame should be on Pearce rather than the young lads who ended up falling out with each other.

 


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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

When he referred to "the easy option" I don't think that he was referring to travelling etc but the fact that if he elected to play for England he would have to fight for his place in the team whereas Ivory Coast was the easier option as he was more likely to be picked

You mean the IC manager knows what he's doing

 

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Originally posted by Username

I hadn't seen that before. To be fair, I think you could easily make the argument that there was something far more seriously wrong with that structure if a team containing Henderson, Zaha, Butland, Shelvey, Redmond, Wickham, Clyne, Craig Dawson, Rose & Tom Ince couldn't manage a single win and were shouting at each other in the changing room.

Maybe not world beaters, but that's an awful lot of now established Premier League players and a few international regulars to be that bad.

It maybe that Wilf under performed and his attitude wasn't the best, but it doesn't sound like he was the only one in that squad. Perhaps a bit more blame should be on Pearce rather than the young lads who ended up falling out with each other.

My reading of the article was that everyone was sick of Zaha and his antics which does tie in with some of the rumours coming from the North West during his time with Manchester United

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

My reading of the article was that everyone was sick of Zaha and his antics which does tie in with some of the rumours coming from the North West during his time with Manchester United

similar can be said about Gayle whilst here with us. unquestioned talent but questionable work ethic.

 


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Another one. The press are loving him and I hope he feels confident.

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Hopefully we can keep him for another year or at the very least that all this publicity is adding to his price tag. Seems inevitable that he will leave again eventually though and we really need a plan in place as it would be the first time in about 6 or 7 years that we don't have Zaha or Bolasie in the team.

 


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