Is The Department for Education 'Fit for Purpose'?
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 14 Apr 17 1.06am |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Nearly 1 AM in the UK & the only people up posting? You guessed it Teachers !!! Sorry that I'm staying up late the night before a bank holiday sir!
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 Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Apr 17 2.26am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Sorry that I'm staying up late the night before a bank holiday sir |
| Hoof Hearted 14 Apr 17 10.37am | |
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Compared to the government interference in financial services being a teacher is a piece of p1ss compared to being an IFA these days. The compliance regime for an IFA is particularly onerous. Boohoo teachers are employed in a warm comfortable classroom and paid a good wage with additional benefits like a final salary pension scheme and how many weeks holidays a year do they get? An IFA is typically self employed and only earns money by continually foraging for clients (and paying for advertising to generate leads with their own money so are out of pocket before they begin) and charging a fee which some clients refuse to pay despite agreeing to it and acting upon the advice. Any pension provision is paid for by himself and holidays as well, because if your not working your not earning. The Regulators insist upon compliance with their terms and conditions which also costs a fortune and is paid for upfront before you are able to earn and any subsequent legislation costs money to comply with as it affects stationery and record keeping. Travel to and from clients houses/offices has to be paid for and accommodation when necessary for Industry training events etc. I suppose someone will bring up marking homework and extra duties expected of teachers, but even so I doubt they will work only half the hours of an IFA over a year and quite frankly are well remunerated for the easy job they are asked to do. I'm sure there are more examples of jobs that make a teacher's life look like a cushy number.... let's hear about them too please.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Apr 17 10.52am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Compared to the government interference in financial services being a teacher is a piece of p1ss compared to being an IFA these days. The compliance regime for an IFA is particularly onerous. Boohoo teachers are employed in a warm comfortable classroom and paid a good wage with additional benefits like a final salary pension scheme and how many weeks holidays a year do they get? An IFA is typically self employed and only earns money by continually foraging for clients (and paying for advertising to generate leads with their own money so are out of pocket before they begin) and charging a fee which some clients refuse to pay despite agreeing to it and acting upon the advice. Any pension provision is paid for by himself and holidays as well, because if your not working your not earning. The Regulators insist upon compliance with their terms and conditions which also costs a fortune and is paid for upfront before you are able to earn and any subsequent legislation costs money to comply with as it affects stationery and record keeping. Travel to and from clients houses/offices has to be paid for and accommodation when necessary for Industry training events etc. I suppose someone will bring up marking homework and extra duties expected of teachers, but even so I doubt they will work only half the hours of an IFA over a year and quite frankly are well remunerated for the easy job they are asked to do. I'm sure there are more examples of jobs that make a teacher's life look like a cushy number.... let's hear about them too please. This is about the dept of Education being s***, not s*** job top trumps.
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Kermit8  Hevon 14 Apr 17 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Compared to the government interference in financial services being a teacher is a piece of p1ss compared to being an IFA these days. The compliance regime for an IFA is particularly onerous. Boohoo teachers are employed in a warm comfortable classroom and paid a good wage with additional benefits like a final salary pension scheme and how many weeks holidays a year do they get? An IFA is typically self employed and only earns money by continually foraging for clients (and paying for advertising to generate leads with their own money so are out of pocket before they begin) and charging a fee which some clients refuse to pay despite agreeing to it and acting upon the advice. Any pension provision is paid for by himself and holidays as well, because if your not working your not earning. The Regulators insist upon compliance with their terms and conditions which also costs a fortune and is paid for upfront before you are able to earn and any subsequent legislation costs money to comply with as it affects stationery and record keeping. Travel to and from clients houses/offices has to be paid for and accommodation when necessary for Industry training events etc. I suppose someone will bring up marking homework and extra duties expected of teachers, but even so I doubt they will work only half the hours of an IFA over a year and quite frankly are well remunerated for the easy job they are asked to do. I'm sure there are more examples of jobs that make a teacher's life look like a cushy number.... let's hear about them too please. Stop it, Hoof. Guffaw. That is comedy gold Alan Partridge eat your heart out.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 14 Apr 17 10.05pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Compared to the government interference in financial services being a teacher is a piece of p1ss compared to being an IFA these days. The compliance regime for an IFA is particularly onerous. Boohoo teachers are employed in a warm comfortable classroom and paid a good wage with additional benefits like a final salary pension scheme and how many weeks holidays a year do they get? An IFA is typically self employed and only earns money by continually foraging for clients (and paying for advertising to generate leads with their own money so are out of pocket before they begin) and charging a fee which some clients refuse to pay despite agreeing to it and acting upon the advice. Any pension provision is paid for by himself and holidays as well, because if your not working your not earning. The Regulators insist upon compliance with their terms and conditions which also costs a fortune and is paid for upfront before you are able to earn and any subsequent legislation costs money to comply with as it affects stationery and record keeping. Travel to and from clients houses/offices has to be paid for and accommodation when necessary for Industry training events etc. I suppose someone will bring up marking homework and extra duties expected of teachers, but even so I doubt they will work only half the hours of an IFA over a year and quite frankly are well remunerated for the easy job they are asked to do. I'm sure there are more examples of jobs that make a teacher's life look like a cushy number.... let's hear about them too please. Can't speak for the life of an IFA, but you really don't have a Danny about the life of a teacher. Have you ever been through an OFSTED for example? Lots of wonderful compliance type stuff to float your boat there. I have and I'm now very much subject to financial sector regulatory procedures. You might be shocked to learn that compliance is a huge thing in many, many sectors of UK employment. You are doing little more than playing to your particular gallery. If you're not, then kindly remove your head from your anus before dazzling us with your supposed insights into the teaching profession. As for the OP, one wonders what the actual purpose of the Education department is. It's arguably the dept. that's most vulnerable to government whims and dogma regardless of the political stripe that government has. Chaos, short termism and focus on narrow measureables prevail at the expense of any sort of strategic vision for where the country is going. Edited by Mr_Gristle (14 Apr 2017 10.10pm)
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| Hoof Hearted 15 Apr 17 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Can't speak for the life of an IFA, but you really don't have a Danny about the life of a teacher. Have you ever been through an OFSTED for example? Lots of wonderful compliance type stuff to float your boat there. I have and I'm now very much subject to financial sector regulatory procedures. You might be shocked to learn that compliance is a huge thing in many, many sectors of UK employment. You are doing little more than playing to your particular gallery. If you're not, then kindly remove your head from your anus before dazzling us with your supposed insights into the teaching profession. As for the OP, one wonders what the actual purpose of the Education department is. It's arguably the dept. that's most vulnerable to government whims and dogma regardless of the political stripe that government has. Chaos, short termism and focus on narrow measureables prevail at the expense of any sort of strategic vision for where the country is going. Edited by Mr_Gristle (14 Apr 2017 10.10pm) How many teachers go to work with no pay and have to invest upwards of £10K of their own money to sort out registration, rent an office or have to pay business rates if they work from home then? NONE... they get paid even if little johnny doesn't pass his exams. Try being a self employed IFA Mr G.... a teacher's life is a doddle mate.
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| Hoof Hearted 15 Apr 17 11.47am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Stop it, Hoof. Guffaw. That is comedy gold Alan Partridge eat your heart out. That's the 2nd thing you've laughed about that I'm aware of today. Sadly both things are not funny and highlight your ignorance on most matters.
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| Sportyteacher London 15 Apr 17 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
NONE... they get paid even if little johnny doesn't pass his exams. Try being a self employed IFA Mr G.... a teacher's life is a doddle mate. Education advisors/ consultants do just this and many are now self-employed due to council cutbacks and the increase in academisation. Let me assure you that a teacher's life is anything but a doddle with too many whom I know who have been shown the back door treatment for poor end of year assessment grades; quality of teaching dictated by subjective Ofsted inspection etc. No teacher or head teacher is safe from dismissal on the grounds of competence , that can sometimes benching more than trumped up charges born from being too old and expensive to employ, compared to bringing in comparatively inexperienced, cheaper, naive newbies. With academisation and free schools comes a removal of protecting terms and conditions of employment for teachers.
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| Sportyteacher London 15 Apr 17 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
NONE... they get paid even if little johnny doesn't pass his exams. Try being a self employed IFA Mr G.... a teacher's life is a doddle mate. Education advisors/ consultants do just this and many are now self-employed due to council cutbacks and the increase in academisation. Let me assure you that a teacher's life is anything but a doddle with too many whom I know who have been shown the back door treatment for poor end of year assessment grades; quality of teaching dictated by subjective Ofsted inspection etc. No teacher or head teacher is safe from dismissal on the grounds of competence , that can sometimes be no more than trumped up charges born from being too old and expensive to employ, compared to bringing in comparatively inexperienced, cheaper, naive newbies. With academisation and free schools comes a removal of protecting terms and conditions of employment for teachers.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 17 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
How many teachers go to work with no pay and have to invest upwards of £10K of their own money to sort out registration, rent an office or have to pay business rates if they work from home then? NONE... they get paid even if little johnny doesn't pass his exams. Try being a self employed IFA Mr G.... a teacher's life is a doddle mate. Try getting yourself into loads of debt £17 k over 3 years so you can train to teach. Yer not the only one to have to fork out. As I've said once to you already in this thread, it's not s*** job top trumps. Stick to the topic man who wasn't going to post over Easter.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Apr 17 10.02pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
That's the 2nd thing you've laughed about that I'm aware of today. Sadly both things are not funny and highlight your ignorance on most matters. Not funny to you because it would involve laughing at your backwards ideas Edited by nickgusset (15 Apr 2017 10.04pm)
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