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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 18 May 17 10.33am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

It is not only me that thinks Corbyns manifesto will kill this country:

"BUSINESS grandee and former Labour Minister Digby Jones claims “ignorant” Jeremy Corbyn will spark an exodus from Britain.
He has said Labour leader’s barmy manifesto would bankrupt the country.
And he said: “If this guy becomes Prime Minister the best shares to buy would be British Airways because of all the people who’ll be buying one-way tickets out of the country.”

Referring to yesterday’s manifesto launch, he said: “I watched it open mouthed.
“Anybody under the age of 45 will forget what it was like when Socialists last had their hand in the cookie jar.”
And he went on: “But the IMF ran the country, and when they didn’t the trade unions did.
The strikes were so bad you couldn’t bury the dead.”
He added: “When I watched today I thought this guy is living in another world.
He says he’ll nationalise the water industry. How? By issuing bonds.”
Issuing bonds doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay, it just means you’re delaying it. It’s incredible ignorance.”

Tim Knox of the Centre for Policy Studies said Britain would become the “sick man of Europe” under Labour.
He said: “Labour would take us straight back to the 1970s: penal tax rates, union domination, economic chaos. The UK would be badly governed, badly managed and badly behaved.
“The best and brightest would leave. Graduates, footballers and entrepreneurs would be the first to go, followed by scientists, artists and businessmen and women.
Each person who leaves would not only stop paying income tax but they would also stop buying things from the shops and would stop employing
skilled labour.”

Now as for saying my analysis is asinine I think you are the one that is brain washed and not thinking straight. You are so Labour you cannot see the wood for the trees. Its a good job former Labour Minister Digby Jones has seen the light because you certainly have not and it is a waste of time debating with you as so many others in this thread have realised.

The Centre for Policy Studies is a Conservative mouthpiece whose aims include the rolling back of the state. So they are hardly partisan.

Digby Jones is a Baron who represents big business and has significant vested interests.

I'm not "so Labour". I'm perfectly willing to debate and I look forward to looking at the merits of the Conservative manifesto. I don't agree with everything in the manifesto, but I'm convinced that the Tories have done a bad job on the economy and that austerity and cuts to public spending at times when the economy is depressed is damaging. I'm also convinced that they are liars and that they have used austerity ideologically while claiming it was the medicine we all needed. I also firmly believe that the levels of inequality we have are damaging. I'd vote Lib Dem if I thought they had a better chance of winning than Labour.

Personally I would probably be better off under the Tories in terms of take home pay, at least in the short term, but I believe that I would rather live in a fairer more prosperous country where work is properly rewarded and people pay their fair share.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 18 May 17 10.43am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Bert the Head

Our media is sick. Private Eye is much better than the Telegraph, Daily Mail, The Sun and the Evening Standard. Most of our papers are run by rich people to support the interests of rich people. They are con artists.

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The link is a bit of a rant but it raises a good point about the illusion of a free press.

And then you have editors of certain papers with large circulations who went to Eton, aren't journalists and was a Tory chancellor who oversaw failed economic policy dressed up as success. I wonder what unbiased musings we will be seeing from that paper.

 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 18 May 17 11.00am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

There are multi-nationals who don't care what the tax rate is as they manage to avoid paying it or agreeing sweetheart deals with the government.

..I think this is a key issue for me...whoever is in power. It's time for the corporations to pay their way...whether that's a cue to reduce Corp tax and meet them in the middle in order to do so clearly needs further discussion; but whatever it is has to be paid in FULL

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 May 17 11.24am

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Tory Jesus.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 May 17 12.11pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

This is one of my points, the tories seem as chaotic as labour to me. They've also over the past however long made many miscalculations in interviews and got the figures completely wrong but no one seems to pick up on it. Whether you believe in media bias or not I think it's a fact that the tories never face nearly the same scrutiny on economic policies as labour and people generally just assume that with the economy they always have it under control. Taking a look at the national debt, id suggest the opposite has occurred.

Truthfully? You honestly regard the Tories as just as much as a mess as Labour...Wow...I think you have a case of rose tinted there.

Na, when it comes to talent Labour just aren't doing well....the days of Robin Cook are long gone....their quota system ensures that there is less room for talent over whether your gender fits.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 May 17 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

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Tory Jesus.

Man, that was funny.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 18 May 17 12.18pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The Centre for Policy Studies is a Conservative mouthpiece whose aims include the rolling back of the state. So they are hardly partisan.

Digby Jones is a Baron who represents big business and has significant vested interests.

I'm not "so Labour". I'm perfectly willing to debate and I look forward to looking at the merits of the Conservative manifesto. I don't agree with everything in the manifesto, but I'm convinced that the Tories have done a bad job on the economy and that austerity and cuts to public spending at times when the economy is depressed is damaging. I'm also convinced that they are liars and that they have used austerity ideologically while claiming it was the medicine we all needed. I also firmly believe that the levels of inequality we have are damaging. I'd vote Lib Dem if I thought they had a better chance of winning than Labour.

Personally I would probably be better off under the Tories in terms of take home pay, at least in the short term, but I believe that I would rather live in a fairer more prosperous country where work is properly rewarded and people pay their fair share.

Excellent. Do you have an address for them so that I can send a donation?

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 18 May 17 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Truthfully? You honestly regard the Tories as just as much as a mess as Labour...Wow...I think you have a case of rose tinted there.

Na, when it comes to talent Labour just aren't doing well....the days of Robin Cook are long gone....their quota system ensures that there is less room for talent over whether your gender fits.

Are you saying he wasn't a ginger, scottish midget?

 


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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 18 May 17 12.25pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Truthfully? You honestly regard the Tories as just as much as a mess as Labour...Wow...I think you have a case of rose tinted there.

Na, when it comes to talent Labour just aren't doing well....the days of Robin Cook are long gone....their quota system ensures that there is less room for talent over whether your gender fits.

I think anyone can see that Labour are in a bigger mess. But there is undeniably less scrutiny of the Tory mess. Gove on LBC sounded as bad as Dianne Abbott but it has barely been mentioned. Jeremy Hunt had a poor interview - it's largely not remarked on.

Sky News have made a complaint today that the Tories are restricting them access as a broadcaster because Bunter made them look a bit stupid by reading out a message on air.

Basically the Tories don't like to be questioned. Don't believe there should be proper checks and balances. And because Labour are giving the press other material, no one is sufficiently bothered.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 18 May 17 12.47pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Just watch Jeremy Hunt on the BBC. Awful interview not in the Diane Abbott mouldy but pretty shocking none the less.

It was rather obvious that the Tory manifesto isn't costed, and the two policies mentioned, do not sound like vote winners.

1 Means testing winter payments will cost more than the money saved. This was the argument used by the Tories to remove 50% in their last manifesto.

2 Ring-fencing someone's last 100k isn't going to go far or save people from losing their houses or similar.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 May 17 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Are you saying he wasn't a ginger, scottish midget?

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 18 May 17 12.59pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I think there is a battle going on between the Hammond and May camps.

The chancellor is in the impossible position of finding money for Mrs May's recklessness and previously failed to protect his budget so now he is putting up some resistance.

Should have resigned over that he would be in a far better position now and not have to do an impossible job or put up with her.

The ideal revenge would be to resign on election day having carefully arranged for awful economy news to be released at the same time.


 

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