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Mapletree Croydon 29 May 17 9.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm illustrating that it is not necessary or a certainty. In any case, the 11+ is altered every few years to stop tutoring being so effective. Realistically, it's pointless to be better educated in terms of job prospects because only so many jobs exist which require A levels, a degree etc. There has to be a large proportion of people to do blue collar,unskilled etc. High level education for everyone would be purely for the sake of knowledge in itself. Where do I start? In some parts of the country Grammar schools may not be as divisive as in Croydon/Sutton. That is why I was focusing on what I know, the local area. If you live in Northern Ireland it appears to be relatively easier to get into a Grammar school. Still, if you miss the cut you are knackered from there one. And someone has to do the blue collar work? Which century do you think this is? The blue collar jobs that remain in the UK are becoming relatively far more poorly paid than white and pink collar jobs. You fall off the greasy pole at whatever point you never get back on. So you are relegating people to a second class existence before they are even in their teens. And no, 'only so many jobs exist that need education' is not a sensible argument. Try telling that to people in Singapore or Hong Kong. Education creates jobs, educated people invent jobs. And finally, tutoring is of course very effective. That is why it's a massive industry. I have no idea where you live but it is definitely not anywhere hereabouts.
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Mapletree

Croydon 29 May 17 9.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm illustrating that it is not necessary or a certainty.

In any case, the 11+ is altered every few years to stop tutoring being so effective.

Realistically, it's pointless to be better educated in terms of job prospects because only so many jobs exist which require A levels, a degree etc. There has to be a large proportion of people to do blue collar,unskilled etc.
High level education for everyone would be purely for the sake of knowledge in itself.

Where do I start? In some parts of the country Grammar schools may not be as divisive as in Croydon/Sutton. That is why I was focusing on what I know, the local area. If you live in Northern Ireland it appears to be relatively easier to get into a Grammar school. Still, if you miss the cut you are knackered from there one.

And someone has to do the blue collar work? Which century do you think this is?

The blue collar jobs that remain in the UK are becoming relatively far more poorly paid than white and pink collar jobs. You fall off the greasy pole at whatever point you never get back on. So you are relegating people to a second class existence before they are even in their teens.

And no, 'only so many jobs exist that need education' is not a sensible argument. Try telling that to people in Singapore or Hong Kong. Education creates jobs, educated people invent jobs.

And finally, tutoring is of course very effective. That is why it's a massive industry.

I have no idea where you live but it is definitely not anywhere hereabouts.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 29 May 17 11.35pm
More embarrassment for another Labour luminary as yet another skeleton emerges from their already full-to-bursting closet. How anyone with even a modicum of sense could vote for these cnts is beyond me. [Link] Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*
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Clapham on the Back 29 May 17 11.35pm

More embarrassment for another Labour luminary as yet another skeleton emerges from their already full-to-bursting closet.

How anyone with even a modicum of sense could vote for these c*nts is beyond me.

[Link]

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Mstrobez 30 May 17 12.29am
Love him or hate him, Corbyn came across excellently tonight and Theresa was embarrassing. I think this will be a closer run thing than many Tories expect. We're the Arthur over ere!
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30 May 17 12.29am

Love him or hate him, Corbyn came across excellently tonight and Theresa was embarrassing. I think this will be a closer run thing than many Tories expect.

We're the Arthur over ere!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 30 May 17 4.11am
Originally posted by Mapletree Where do I start? In some parts of the country Grammar schools may not be as divisive as in Croydon/Sutton. That is why I was focusing on what I know, the local area. If you live in Northern Ireland it appears to be relatively easier to get into a Grammar school. Still, if you miss the cut you are knackered from there one. And someone has to do the blue collar work? Which century do you think this is? The blue collar jobs that remain in the UK are becoming relatively far more poorly paid than white and pink collar jobs. You fall off the greasy pole at whatever point you never get back on. So you are relegating people to a second class existence before they are even in their teens. And no, 'only so many jobs exist that need education' is not a sensible argument. Try telling that to people in Singapore or Hong Kong. Education creates jobs, educated people invent jobs. And finally, tutoring is of course very effective. That is why it's a massive industry. I have no idea where you live but it is definitely not anywhere hereabouts.
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 30 May 17 4.11am

Originally posted by Mapletree

And someone has to do the blue collar work? Which century do you think this is?

And no, 'only so many jobs exist that need education' is not a sensible argument. Try telling that to people in Singapore or Hong Kong. Education creates jobs, educated people invent jobs.

And finally, tutoring is of course very effective. That is why it's a massive industry.

I have no idea where you live but it is definitely not anywhere hereabouts.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 30 May 17 4.14am
Originally posted by Mstrobez Love him or hate him, Corbyn came across excellently tonight and Theresa was embarrassing. I think this will be a closer run thing than many Tories expect. cameron, osborne, boris,,,,,uber?
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Any european country i fancy! 30 May 17 4.14am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Love him or hate him, Corbyn came across excellently tonight and Theresa was embarrassing. I think this will be a closer run thing than many Tories expect.

cameron, osborne, boris,,,,,uber?

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 30 May 17 4.41am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt More embarrassment for another Labour luminary as yet another skeleton emerges from their already full-to-bursting closet. How anyone with even a modicum of sense could vote for these c*nts is beyond me. [Link] Have you read the daily mail two page spread about the conservative bullingdon club boys,,camerom prime minister, osborne,,chancellor. and boris london mayor,,,,breaking london taxi laws to ,,,errrr, how can i put it,, not line their own pockets or further their careers,,,,how anyone could vote for this rabble,,who might be inside if they wernt members of the bullingdon club,,,is beyond me! yes, all have disappeared bar boris,,our foreign secretary god help us,,,and i dont dislike theresa,,,seems nice enough, but really,,,with a CONSERVATIVE pm relying on the BRITISH TAX PAYER to pay for a companys staffs wages , worth $66 billion, via tax credits, just because his childs godmother is head of the company breaking London taxi laws that have exhisted for hundreds of years is unbelievable,,do you really want to pay for a company worth �66 billion staff wages? Just because they arent actually based in the uk, yet they have 130000, yes one hundred and thirty thousand drivers, and they dont actually appear to be a taxi company, have denied it, ony an app,,unbelievable!
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Any european country i fancy! 30 May 17 4.41am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

More embarrassment for another Labour luminary as yet another skeleton emerges from their already full-to-bursting closet.

How anyone with even a modicum of sense could vote for these c*nts is beyond me.

[Link]

Have you read the daily mail two page spread about the conservative bullingdon club boys,,camerom prime minister, osborne,,chancellor. and boris london mayor,,,,breaking london taxi laws to ,,,errrr, how can i put it,, not line their own pockets or further their careers,,,,how anyone could vote for this rabble,,who might be inside if they wernt members of the bullingdon club,,,is beyond me! yes, all have disappeared bar boris,,our foreign secretary god help us,,,and i dont dislike theresa,,,seems nice enough, but really,,,with a CONSERVATIVE pm relying on the BRITISH TAX PAYER to pay for a companys staffs wages , worth $66 billion, via tax credits, just because his childs godmother is head of the company breaking London taxi laws that have exhisted for hundreds of years is unbelievable,,do you really want to pay for a company worth �66 billion staff wages? Just because they arent actually based in the uk, yet they have 130000, yes one hundred and thirty thousand drivers, and they dont actually appear to be a taxi company, have denied it, ony an app,,unbelievable!

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matt_himself Matataland 30 May 17 6.23am
Originally posted by Mstrobez Love him or hate him, Corbyn came across excellently tonight and Theresa was embarrassing. I think this will be a closer run thing than many Tories expect. Not what I saw from last night's interviews. One candidate spent the time defending her policies and that she changes her mind when needs to. The other spent the time trying, and failing, to explain why he supports terrorists and how he wouldn't defend Britain. Make of it what you will. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 30 May 17 6.23am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Love him or hate him, Corbyn came across excellently tonight and Theresa was embarrassing. I think this will be a closer run thing than many Tories expect.

Not what I saw from last night's interviews.

One candidate spent the time defending her policies and that she changes her mind when needs to.

The other spent the time trying, and failing, to explain why he supports terrorists and how he wouldn't defend Britain.

Make of it what you will.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Stirlingsays 30 May 17 6.42am
Taken as a whole (in other words excepting Scotland) the UK is a sensible country..or nation of nations. It shows in comparisons between our economy and most of Europe....We aren't making slaves like Germany nor denying reality and self harming like France. However, I think if Labour's membership had chosen a sensible leader....not that they were given much in the way of talented options....then I think May would have been in a real fight this election. However that isn't the case. Instead the choice the country faces is between a 'wet' Tory and what comes across as the chairman of the socialist worker's party. The result was set at that leadership result. Corbyn's politics never had a chance in hell of winning in England's heartlands....I like some of the policies but seriously dislike a lot...I consider myself a red Tory..I believe capitalism needs to work for everyone... but regardless I could never vote for this unpatriotic anti British option. Essentially Labour's assured defeat is squarely the fault of its membership. They chose idealism over political reality and deserve criticism for it. I have mixed feelings about what lies ahead but on one thing I'm certain. We need a strong negotiator in Brexit and David Davies is a million times better than the supplicants Labour have. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 6.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 May 17 6.42am

Taken as a whole (in other words excepting Scotland) the UK is a sensible country..or nation of nations. It shows in comparisons between our economy and most of Europe....We aren't making slaves like Germany nor denying reality and self harming like France.

However, I think if Labour's membership had chosen a sensible leader....not that they were given much in the way of talented options....then I think May would have been in a real fight this election.

However that isn't the case. Instead the choice the country faces is between a 'wet' Tory and what comes across as the chairman of the socialist worker's party.

The result was set at that leadership result. Corbyn's politics never had a chance in hell of winning in England's heartlands....I like some of the policies but seriously dislike a lot...I consider myself a red Tory..I believe capitalism needs to work for everyone... but regardless I could never vote for this unpatriotic anti British option.

Essentially Labour's assured defeat is squarely the fault of its membership. They chose idealism over political reality and deserve criticism for it.

I have mixed feelings about what lies ahead but on one thing I'm certain. We need a strong negotiator in Brexit and David Davies is a million times better than the supplicants Labour have.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2017 6.44am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 30 May 17 7.42am
Originally posted by Mstrobez Love him or hate him, Corbyn came across excellently tonight and Theresa was embarrassing. I think this will be a closer run thing than many Tories expect. I think Paxman was the most embarrassing actually. No in depth questioning, just a load of goading in an attempt to get a response with questions about what they have said and done in the past rather than what they intend to do in the future. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 30 May 17 7.42am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Love him or hate him, Corbyn came across excellently tonight and Theresa was embarrassing. I think this will be a closer run thing than many Tories expect.

I think Paxman was the most embarrassing actually. No in depth questioning, just a load of goading in an attempt to get a response with questions about what they have said and done in the past rather than what they intend to do in the future.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 May 17 8.34am
Originally posted by croydon proud Have you read the daily mail two page spread about the conservative bullingdon club boys,,camerom prime minister, osborne,,chancellor. and boris london mayor,,,,breaking london taxi laws to ,,,errrr, how can i put it,, not line their own pockets or further their careers,,,,how anyone could vote for this rabble,,who might be inside if they wernt members of the bullingdon club,,,is beyond me! yes, all have disappeared bar boris,,our foreign secretary god help us,,,and i dont dislike theresa,,,seems nice enough, but really,,,with a CONSERVATIVE pm relying on the BRITISH TAX PAYER to pay for a companys staffs wages , worth billion, via tax credits, just because his childs godmother is head of the company breaking London taxi laws that have exhisted for hundreds of years is unbelievable,,do you really want to pay for a company worth �66 billion staff wages? Just because they arent actually based in the uk, yet they have 130000, yes one hundred and thirty thousand drivers, and they dont actually appear to be a taxi company, have denied it, ony an app,,unbelievable! Are,,,you,,,related,,,to,,,roonsterocker? (I'd be livid with that bias if I were you as well) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 May 17 8.34am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Have you read the daily mail two page spread about the conservative bullingdon club boys,,camerom prime minister, osborne,,chancellor. and boris london mayor,,,,breaking london taxi laws to ,,,errrr, how can i put it,, not line their own pockets or further their careers,,,,how anyone could vote for this rabble,,who might be inside if they wernt members of the bullingdon club,,,is beyond me! yes, all have disappeared bar boris,,our foreign secretary god help us,,,and i dont dislike theresa,,,seems nice enough, but really,,,with a CONSERVATIVE pm relying on the BRITISH TAX PAYER to pay for a companys staffs wages , worth billion, via tax credits, just because his childs godmother is head of the company breaking London taxi laws that have exhisted for hundreds of years is unbelievable,,do you really want to pay for a company worth �66 billion staff wages? Just because they arent actually based in the uk, yet they have 130000, yes one hundred and thirty thousand drivers, and they dont actually appear to be a taxi company, have denied it, ony an app,,unbelievable!

Are,,,you,,,related,,,to,,,roonsterocker?

(I'd be livid with that bias if I were you as well)

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 May 17 8.39am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 I think Paxman was the most embarrassing actually. No in depth questioning, just a load of goading in an attempt to get a response with questions about what they have said and done in the past rather than what they intend to do in the future. Some showing off deep inside him now and playing to the audience. I didn't really learn much from the whole night. The problem with it was the audience didn't get the opportunity to ask more questions to May's or Corbyn's answers. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 May 17 8.39am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Some showing off deep inside him now and playing to the audience.

I didn't really learn much from the whole night. The problem with it was the audience didn't get the opportunity to ask more questions to May's or Corbyn's answers.

COYP

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Bearcage Welling 30 May 17 9.11am
Originally posted by croydon proud Grammar schools are a meritocracy, pass the 11+ and your in, no matter your background. Parents can help borderline children by paying for tutors or, instead of wasting money on this, spending some time with their children educating them, going through past papers and the such to prepare them for the test. However, if your child needs lots of additional help to get through the 11+ they might be better off not going to a grammar school. Struggling at a grammar school is likely to be worse than doing well at a non-grammar, and different people have different strengths. Academic excellence isn't everything.
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Welling 30 May 17 9.11am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Grammar schools are a meritocracy, pass the 11+ and your in, no matter your background.
Parents can help borderline children by paying for tutors or, instead of wasting money on this, spending some time with their children educating them, going through past papers and the such to prepare them for the test. However, if your child needs lots of additional help to get through the 11+ they might be better off not going to a grammar school. Struggling at a grammar school is likely to be worse than doing well at a non-grammar, and different people have different strengths. Academic excellence isn't everything.

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