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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 08 Dec 17 4.40pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

My dads a 'mans, man' proper country type, his brothers served in the army etc and I was brought up with a lot of ideas about what it means to be a man. My first job I worked as an apprentice for two years in a garage, in an entirely 'mans' world. I played sports at school, got into fights went out drinking with my mates. I'd be surprised if my family background was all that different (I'm from poor, working class and proud background - half my family are gypsies). I just got on well with female friends, and listened to them, and some of their experiences made me realise that machismo is a load of bollocks.

I think I must have been raised with a more puritanical form of what masculinity is. A kind of 'muscular' masculinity ebullient to its own value system much in the way muscular Christianity was.....mainly fed to me and my brother by my mother rather than father....who was largely 'an excuse in trousers'....to use my Mum's description.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 08 Dec 17 4.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Of course, we had it tough....

Tough.....sounds like a holiday!

We had it so bad, Geldof wanted to do a concert.

 

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View jamiemartin721's Profile jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Dec 17 4.59pm Send a Private Message to jamiemartin721 Add jamiemartin721 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmmmm.....what is your relationship with your father like? How did he regard you and you him?

Hang on...scrub that...I'm not an analyst....none of my business.

'Machismo' is a load of bollocks to you.

To me, machismo is machismo...it's a exaggeration of most masculinity....some have a lot of it, some a little, which I find a positive, some pretend they have it and some don't, some dislike it, some hate it......Masculinity is much more than an alpha male stereotype....machismo is an exaggerated form most of the time.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2017 2.52pm)

Alpha males are pretty much boorish, bullyish, arrogant who are typically self obsessed and vain - I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those.

I was kind of brought up to see that as something not to aspire to being.

 


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View wordup's Profile wordup Flag 08 Dec 17 5.22pm Send a Private Message to wordup Add wordup as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Alpha males are pretty much boorish, bullyish, arrogant who are typically self obsessed and vain - I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those.

I was kind of brought up to see that as something not to aspire to being.

At an extreme end that sounds like narcissistic personality disorder. A trait more common in males.

- An inflated sense of their own importance
- A deep need for excessive attention and admiration
- A lack of empathy for others.

 

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 08 Dec 17 5.23pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

My dad was in his earlier years a Scottish Military Policeman but as nice as pie really. I'm rather glad he wasn't the bullsh1t insecure faux macho type with its occasional lineage to closeted latent homosexuality.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Dec 17 5.42pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Alpha males are pretty much boorish, bullyish, arrogant who are typically self obsessed and vain - I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those.

I was kind of brought up to see that as something not to aspire to being.

Oh well. You can't succeed at everything.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Dec 17 5.45pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

At an extreme end that sounds like narcissistic personality disorder. A trait more common in males.

- An inflated sense of their own importance
- A deep need for excessive attention and admiration
- A lack of empathy for others.

You just described half the planet.

 

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View wordup's Profile wordup Flag 08 Dec 17 6.17pm Send a Private Message to wordup Add wordup as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You just described half the planet.

Most people are reasonable human beings really. People generally like to be liked and for society to function along those lines, people typically develop in ways that allow them to rub along.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Dec 17 7.07pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

Most people are reasonable human beings really. People generally like to be liked and for society to function along those lines, people typically develop in ways that allow them to rub along.

Maybe, but I'm sure sociopaths do that too.

 

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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag Lewisham 08 Dec 17 9.40pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

The funny think is you still see the most ardent feminists falling for the alpha male.

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