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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 May 17 5.27pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think only the religious believe that morality is real with any overarching purpose. However, creating systems of morality is something else entirely. While I feel you could be accused of a certain amount of semantics I respect your opinion and thank you for the reply. Interesting and informative as always. Thanks - 'Systems of morality' are generally ethically, rather than moral based, outside of religious nations. In the west this tends to have been curtailed by jurisprudence having a higher authority than majority rule, and fortunately its basis that each individual is answerable to the law (even if its not absolutely true) has tended to prevent the excesses of individual leaders implementing their will. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 16 May 17 5.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think only the religious believe that morality is real with any overarching purpose. However, creating systems of morality is something else entirely.

While I feel you could be accused of a certain amount of semantics I respect your opinion and thank you for the reply.

Interesting and informative as always.

Thanks - 'Systems of morality' are generally ethically, rather than moral based, outside of religious nations. In the west this tends to have been curtailed by jurisprudence having a higher authority than majority rule, and fortunately its basis that each individual is answerable to the law (even if its not absolutely true) has tended to prevent the excesses of individual leaders implementing their will.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 16 May 17 5.35pm
I've forgotten the difference between ethics and morality. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 5.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 May 17 5.35pm

I've forgotten the difference between ethics and morality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 5.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 16 May 17 10.11pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I reject the idea that morality exists as anything more meaningful that subjective experiences that are defined by each individual. That fundamentally people are emotional, sentient entities, independent; who exist subjectively. Someone who has anti-social personality disorder cannot do this, they lack the capacity to see people as anything more than objects in their world. Whilst I choose not to rape, not because of morality, but because I understand that its traumatic, damaging, violent; and something to which I would object to being done to me. Someone with anti-social personality disorder / psychopathy is incapable of understanding that difference. As such, whilst I don't believe that morality is real in any meaningful way, I am capable of understanding concepts like right and wrong, and engage in understanding them and defining them. Brady wasn't, fundamentally, people exist for his benefit, not their own. Does all this pretentious bollo*ks mean Brady was a wrong'un? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 16 May 17 10.11pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I reject the idea that morality exists as anything more meaningful that subjective experiences that are defined by each individual. That fundamentally people are emotional, sentient entities, independent; who exist subjectively.

Someone who has anti-social personality disorder cannot do this, they lack the capacity to see people as anything more than objects in their world.

Whilst I choose not to rape, not because of morality, but because I understand that its traumatic, damaging, violent; and something to which I would object to being done to me. Someone with anti-social personality disorder / psychopathy is incapable of understanding that difference.

As such, whilst I don't believe that morality is real in any meaningful way, I am capable of understanding concepts like right and wrong, and engage in understanding them and defining them.

Brady wasn't, fundamentally, people exist for his benefit, not their own.

Does all this pretentious bollo*ks mean Brady was a wrong'un?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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