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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 May 17 10.17am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Aray

If it were occasional then you'd give the benefit of the doubt. But think about it - the deliberate goading on the referee front. And this absolute tosh about Plymouth. IF there was any doubt he's a troll, there should not be now.

What !!!!!

I do the "Goading" on the referee front ? I happen to believe it is others who goad me for goodness sake.All I do is to give my honest opinions and try to see things from a referre's standpoint given I have experience in this field and speak to officials.IF I said referees never make mistakes then I could understand your comments but I have never ever said this.

As for Plymouth, I am factually correct and just used them and Derek Adams as an example of someone who has performed really well but is never highlighted at all.I also contrasted his achievements with that of Silva and I happen to believe I made some valid points.Some lower division managers have done really well on limited resources but alas this is never recognised.Trust me, I have had many such conversations about managers outside of HOL and nobody has accused me of deliberately trying to stoke any fires.

Maybe I haven't got my message across with sufficient clarity - rest assured I am NOT 'Trolling' at all.

Edited by Willo (26 May 2017 10.18am)

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 26 May 17 10.25am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

I can remember when this thread was about Silva, before the inevitable happened; can anyone else remember that far back?

 


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View AshfordEagle94's Profile AshfordEagle94 Flag Canterbury 26 May 17 10.28am Send a Private Message to AshfordEagle94 Add AshfordEagle94 as a friend

I don't understand the attack on Willos point this time. I 100% get it and might I add i think Silva would be a great appointment. However, in theory doing a job at Olympiakos when they are miles a head in their league is a lot easier then doing a job lower down. In the same way that Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger Have done great for top teams but would they do they same thing lower down? probably not. Where as some one who's done well in a poorer situation shows more about their ability

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 26 May 17 10.38am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by AshfordEagle94

I don't understand the attack on Willos point this time. I 100% get it and might I add i think Silva would be a great appointment. However, in theory doing a job at Olympiakos when they are miles a head in their league is a lot easier then doing a job lower down. In the same way that Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger Have done great for top teams but would they do they same thing lower down? probably not. Where as some one who's done well in a poorer situation shows more about their ability

Yes, it shows their ability to produce results at the lowest level and nothing whatsoever about their ability to reproduce those results at the highest level. Let's see how Plymouth do next season before getting over-excited. Someone who performs well as a junior supervisor is unlikely to be able to make the step up to MD in one go.

 


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View AshfordEagle94's Profile AshfordEagle94 Flag Canterbury 26 May 17 10.42am Send a Private Message to AshfordEagle94 Add AshfordEagle94 as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave

Yes, it shows their ability to produce results at the lowest level and nothing whatsoever about their ability to reproduce those results at the highest level. Let's see how Plymouth do next season before getting over-excited. Someone who performs well as a junior supervisor is unlikely to be able to make the step up to MD in one go.

I'm not necessarily saying I agree, as I said I want us to get Silva but someone who does well at a worse off club rather than the best team in the country, with the most money in the country and the players already there, in my opinion are probably better ability wise

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 26 May 17 10.53am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I see all the speculation about certian managers going here and there and they are all 'Name' managers.

I look at someone who hasn't had a mention on here - step forward Derek Adams of Plymouth.He did a terrific job at Ross Co on a 'Shoestring' getting them promotion to the Scottish league and just missing out on Europe by a point. In his first season at Plymouth, having signed 'Loanees' and 'Frees' he led them to the play-off final where they lost to AFC Wimbledon.Last pre-season they lost a lot of players yet Adams signed a load of 'Frees' and they got promotion to Division One.

This is what I call real achievement, NOT winning the league at Olympiakos and the cup at Sporting.I accept winning league/Cup is commendable but I look at the 'Bigger picture'.Rest assured I'm not being critical of Silva, just saying that his achievements have been 'Over-stated' by many on here.This is my main point, not a strident criticism of Silva.

Edited by Willo (26 May 2017 8.38am)

Even for you Willo, that statement's one Ginsters short of a Clattenburg

 


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ParchmoreEagle Flag Belair 26 May 17 11.01am

Originally posted by AshfordEagle94

I don't understand the attack on Willos point this time. I 100% get it and might I add i think Silva would be a great appointment. However, in theory doing a job at Olympiakos when they are miles a head in their league is a lot easier then doing a job lower down. In the same way that Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger Have done great for top teams but would they do they same thing lower down? probably not. Where as some one who's done well in a poorer situation shows more about their ability

This is my belief too. Look how ridiculous Hodgson was with England. Honestly, some institutions are so well run that the man at the top is just a figurehead. I'm not saying Mourinho and such can't do a job, but unless they transform crap teams into gold ones like Sam and his like does then I'm not going to be convinced. I'm more and more convinced that Silva may be the man, but his zonal marking and Hull's woeful goals conceded need to be addressed with him. Basically, if he is no good on keeping clean sheets then I'd rather Dyche or someone else.

BTW, someone needs to explain to me about zonal marking, because I've heard somewhere that Silva had a good defensive record. Was this him employing zonal marking? Is there a zonal marking strategy that, when done well, is better than man-2-man? I'm going to google it now.

 


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chateauferret Flag 26 May 17 11.02am

Originally posted by Willo

Sunshine but a bit breezy down here on the south coast !
Have to go out canvassing later on and might go to Hove at some stage to campaign support for Kristy Adams.


You mean this bampot?

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 May 17 11.03am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by rawpalace05

I'm always up for being open minded and sticking up for those who seem to take the brunt of criticism, however this post has sent me over the edge. Why do you bother?

Nothing better to do. Quite sad. I almost feel sorry for him.

 


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View AshfordEagle94's Profile AshfordEagle94 Flag Canterbury 26 May 17 11.07am Send a Private Message to AshfordEagle94 Add AshfordEagle94 as a friend

Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle

This is my belief too. Look how ridiculous Hodgson was with England. Honestly, some institutions are so well run that the man at the top is just a figurehead. I'm not saying Mourinho and such can't do a job, but unless they transform crap teams into gold ones like Sam and his like does then I'm not going to be convinced. I'm more and more convinced that Silva may be the man, but his zonal marking and Hull's woeful goals conceded need to be addressed with him. Basically, if he is no good on keeping clean sheets then I'd rather Dyche or someone else.

BTW, someone needs to explain to me about zonal marking, because I've heard somewhere that Silva had a good defensive record. Was this him employing zonal marking? Is there a zonal marking strategy that, when done well, is better than man-2-man? I'm going to google it now.

A good question and I'd like to know the answer. Personally I see no pros to zonal marking but maybe that's just me be uneducated on it

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 May 17 11.08am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle

This is my belief too. Look how ridiculous Hodgson was with England. Honestly, some institutions are so well run that the man at the top is just a figurehead. I'm not saying Mourinho and such can't do a job, but unless they transform crap teams into gold ones like Sam and his like does then I'm not going to be convinced. I'm more and more convinced that Silva may be the man, but his zonal marking and Hull's woeful goals conceded need to be addressed with him. Basically, if he is no good on keeping clean sheets then I'd rather Dyche or someone else.

BTW, someone needs to explain to me about zonal marking, because I've heard somewhere that Silva had a good defensive record. Was this him employing zonal marking? Is there a zonal marking strategy that, when done well, is better than man-2-man? I'm going to google it now.

I could go on and on about 'Zonal marking' but it would de-rail this thread.

Yesterday the name of 'Garry Monk' was brought up in speculation about our vacancy.At Leeds when they were defending corners he had his best headers not marking man-to-man but free as they could get blocked off when trying to attack the ball.

 

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View AshfordEagle94's Profile AshfordEagle94 Flag Canterbury 26 May 17 11.11am Send a Private Message to AshfordEagle94 Add AshfordEagle94 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I could go on and on about 'Zonal marking' but it would de-rail this thread.

Yesterday the name of 'Garry Monk' was brought up in speculation about our vacancy.At Leeds when they were defending corners he had his best headers not marking man-to-man but free as they could get blocked off when trying to attack the ball.

But then surely this puts the attacking player at an advantage because they're either a) open or b) being marked by a weaker header of the ball which would mean more chance of winning a second ball

 

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