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View npn's Profile npn Flag Crowborough 25 May 17 2.19pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


People dying in the Mediterranean trying to escape war zones is something we should all be concerned about, not just Labour voters. People dying winds me up too.

Me too, but the point you seemed to be making was the tired old "why are our deaths more important than theirs?"

The answer to that, of course, is that they aren't more important but, crucially, they are more important TO US.

Several people died in a crash on the M6 yesterday - did that honestly affect or sadden you to the same degree that 7 deaths on the tram did? I doubt it. Why? Because for whatever reason the seven on the tram were "some of our own". No doubt to the families affected by these and countless other tragedies they also attach more importance to local events or people they either know or at least know of.

22 people killed in Manchester holds far more sway with me than children lost in the Med (sad as it is) and I'm not afraid to admit it. I would also imagine that if you asked people in the countries those poor refugees came from, they would say that they are potentially more saddened by those deaths than the ones in Manchester (notwithstanding the different circumstances - one an accidental tragedy albeit brought about by a combination of horrible circumstances, criminal negligence, and people willing to risk the lives of others for a fast buck, the other a callous act of murder directed against children)

 

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Originally posted by npn

Me too, but the point you seemed to be making was the tired old "why are our deaths more important than theirs?"

The answer to that, of course, is that they aren't more important but, crucially, they are more important TO US.

Several people died in a crash on the M6 yesterday - did that honestly affect or sadden you to the same degree that 7 deaths on the tram did? I doubt it. Why? Because for whatever reason the seven on the tram were "some of our own". No doubt to the families affected by these and countless other tragedies they also attach more importance to local events or people they either know or at least know of.

22 people killed in Manchester holds far more sway with me than children lost in the Med (sad as it is) and I'm not afraid to admit it. I would also imagine that if you asked people in the countries those poor refugees came from, they would say that they are potentially more saddened by those deaths than the ones in Manchester (notwithstanding the different circumstances - one an accidental tragedy albeit brought about by a combination of horrible circumstances, criminal negligence, and people willing to risk the lives of others for a fast buck, the other a callous act of murder directed against children)

Actually it's just normal. We concern ourselves and feel empathy for those we feel a bond with more that those more remote.

Nick thinks he's the lord of the moral high ground because he posts this stuff but real charity does not require advertising.

 

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Except the Eurythmics and the Beautiful South.

Obvs. I'm not a complete Bender.

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 25 May 17 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Really? Do you not think it's a tragedy that warrants discussion.

Not when its spread across so many threads. I personally am tired of your grandstanding.

 


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View npn's Profile npn Flag Crowborough 25 May 17 3.09pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Actually it's just normal. We concern ourselves and feel empathy for those we feel a bond with more that those more remote.

Nick thinks he's the lord of the moral high ground because he posts this stuff but real charity does not require advertising.

I think you misunderstood: I didn't mean "sad as it is" in reference to the fact that should not Manchester affect me more than the Med, rather in reference to the deaths of the refugee kids. That's sad, regardless of the fact that it's affect on me is far smaller.

I agree with you totally that this differential is completely natural and nothing to be in any way ashamed of.

 

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View cardiff eagle's Profile cardiff eagle Flag 25 May 17 3.17pm Send a Private Message to cardiff eagle Add cardiff eagle as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


People dying in the Mediterranean trying to escape war zones is something we should all be concerned about, not just Labour voters. People dying winds me up too.

Everyone is concerned about it. However, Labour supporters currently seem to be the ones using death to point score. You're acting pathetically and should know better.

 

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Originally posted by npn

I think you misunderstood: I didn't mean "sad as it is" in reference to the fact that should not Manchester affect me more than the Med, rather in reference to the deaths of the refugee kids. That's sad, regardless of the fact that it's affect on me is far smaller.

I agree with you totally that this differential is completely natural and nothing to be in any way ashamed of.

Yes, I was agreeing with you but misunderstood your meaning of the bit in brackets.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 May 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Actually it's just normal. We concern ourselves and feel empathy for those we feel a bond with more that those more remote.

Nick thinks he's the lord of the moral high ground because he posts this stuff but real charity does not require advertising.

Another one who claims to know what I'm thinking.

What I posted wasn't old news,

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 May 17 3.34pm

Originally posted by cardiff eagle

Everyone is concerned about it. However, Labour supporters currently seem to be the ones using death to point score. You're acting pathetically and should know better.

No I'm not. If you rather people didn't discuss a humanitarian crisis that speaks volumes.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 May 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by npn

Me too, but the point you seemed to be making was the tired old "why are our deaths more important than theirs?"

The answer to that, of course, is that they aren't more important but, crucially, they are more important TO US.

Several people died in a crash on the M6 yesterday - did that honestly affect or sadden you to the same degree that 7 deaths on the tram did? I doubt it. Why? Because for whatever reason the seven on the tram were "some of our own". No doubt to the families affected by these and countless other tragedies they also attach more importance to local events or people they either know or at least know of.

22 people killed in Manchester holds far more sway with me than children lost in the Med (sad as it is) and I'm not afraid to admit it. I would also imagine that if you asked people in the countries those poor refugees came from, they would say that they are potentially more saddened by those deaths than the ones in Manchester (notwithstanding the different circumstances - one an accidental tragedy albeit brought about by a combination of horrible circumstances, criminal negligence, and people willing to risk the lives of others for a fast buck, the other a callous act of murder directed against children)

I wasn't making the which deaths are more important point despite what people think.

The story came up on my newsfeed today, that's why I shared it. It seems that stories like this have been pushed to the back burner for whatever reason. I heard last week that some Italian boats sat by and watched refugee boats sink. How bad is that.

I agree with your point that the more local something is the more we are affected by it.

 

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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 25 May 17 3.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

No I'm not. If you rather people didn't discuss a humanitarian crisis that speaks volumes.

Always seems to be you though doesnt it. You know what your doing and you just lose any respect people may have for you.
You didnt answer my question as to why those fleeing war zones and harm dont go to the nearest safe haven to them instead of risking life even further by getting in a boat not safe or fit for purpose and going across the sea.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 25 May 17 3.49pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Always seems to be you though doesnt it. You know what your doing and you just lose any respect people may have for you.
You didnt answer my question as to why those fleeing war zones and harm dont go to the nearest safe haven to them instead of risking life even further by getting in a boat not safe or fit for purpose and going across the sea.

It doesn't fit his agenda.....

 


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